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Genesee Co. officials reject Detroit water department proposal

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Genesee County, including Flint, drain officials Tuesday rejected the latest reorganizing proposal from the Detroit Water and Sewerage




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Post Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:54 am 
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Remember the controversy that occurred when Flint found out their Public safety official Barnett Jones was also the head of the Security for the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department? It was revealed then that the Water System Director, Sue McCormick, was a friend of Jones and some Flint officials were appalled that Jones sat in our the discussions of the water supply debate while working for Detroit.

Now Sue McCormick is threatening a lawsuit if Flint refuses to pay Detroit a recovery fee for stranded costs of an undetermined amount that could cost millions. These stranded costs are for shutting down a potion of the pipeline. Detroit stands to lose $22 million at the point Flint leaves the system. Detroit has a "fixed cost component that must be spread across the remaining 3 million water department users.

Remember, Flint had to pay a portion of the costs for building the original pipeline, which is nearing an end stage, and Detroit threatened Flint with the full cost of a secondary water pipeline if Flint pushed the issue. The secondary water pipeline was part of the original deal and Flint has had to bond out the cost of using the water plant to provide a secondary source of water.
Post Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:17 am 
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State Treasurer Andy Dillon approved the KWA pipeline but gave Detroit a one last chance to offer a proposal. Detroit reportedly offered savings of $800 million over KWA, but wouldn't show the numbers.

Wright has repeatedly commented that Oakland County pays half of the water cost that is assessed to Genesee County. That is because Genesee County is billed for distance from the Detroit plants and elevation costs for pumping stations. Flint and Genesee County are the highest elevation customers for the Detroit system.

Detroit has offered Flint a $588 million package, which is $75 million less than Karegondi. However the Karegondi deal is for 1/3 more water than Detroit is offering. You would have to add another $230 million to Detroit's offer for an "equal water supply". Detroit has made no offers for more water.

The DEQ has refused Flint's proposal to blend the KWA water with the Flint River.


Detroit water proposal claims $800 million in

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1 day ago ... The city of Detroit has delivered a proposal for continuing to supply Flint and Genesee County with water for the next 30 years, a plan it says ...
Post Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:29 am 
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El Supremo

All of the news stations have reported that Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano and Oakland County Executive L Brooks Patterson are protesting the decision of Flint and Genesee County to leave the Detroit water system. Both cite the increased cost to their water customers when Flint leaves. Oakland County customers must pick up an addition 6% cost on top of the current 4% annual raises they are receiving.

With all of the corruption news coming out of Wayne County surrounding Ficano and associates, he should be the last person to cry a "waste of money".

Brooks Patterson went so far as to ask Snyder to oppose the KWA. some of you may remember that Oakland County was part of the original pipeline group and helped select a name. They backed out of the final proposal. So does this mean that at one time they believed Detroit was "price gouging" on the cost of water?

Patterson state the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department has an intake capacity that is 25% greater than the existing usage and the system will be at less than 50% capacity after KWA is in operation.
Post Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:48 am 
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Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.comStatement from Genesee County Drain Commissioner Jeff Wright on the Ficano news release: "My response to the statement by Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano is the same as my thoughts on why Oakland County officials have come out against the pipeline.
"Wayne Co., Oakland Co., and others realize they will no longer have Genesee County and Flint to subsidize their own water bills by overcharging us. The reason we decided to leave DWSD is because it was our belief based on facts we had that we were paying more than our fair share for water.
"With the commnents by Ficano, (L. Brooks) Patterson, ect., it validates that reasoning. I highly doubt Ficano would take kindly to someone from outside Wayne County trying to tell him that his residents need to pay higher rates to subsidize other areas."
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Post Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:56 am 
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Governor Snyder has been brought in to mediate the "Water Wars" declared by the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department (DWSD) angered by the future loss of the income from the Karegondi water pipeline. Snyder called Genesee County Drain Commissioner Jeff Wright, Flint Mayor Dayne walling and Flint EFM Ed Kurtz to a 3 p.m. meeting today in Detroit with the DWDSD.

Sue McCormick of the DWSD sent a 3 paragraph notice to Flint on April 14th, one day before Treasurer Andy Dillon approved the entrance of Flint into the Karegondi Water Authority. The notice stated that the DWSD was ending the nearly 50 year old contractual arrangement with Flint as of April 17th 2014. The notice did not state they would no longer sell water to Flint. Genesee County urchases their water from Flint.

Ron Fonger of the Flint Journal quoted DWSD consultant and Spokesperson for DWSD as saying "I have to believe Flint had to know that this was the next step".

Jeff Wight has raised the issues of whether Detroit can legally cut off the water or raise the rates just because they are mad at losing Flint as a customer. Another issue raised is whether the decision of Sue McCormick is valid since Detroit now has an Emergency Manager.

For the entire story:

URLhttp://mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/04/detroit_gives_notice_its_termi.html/post/2013-04-19/1366407815-855-702.html
Post Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:26 pm 
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Interest rate for initial KWA pipeline borrowing: 5.04 percent

Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com By Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com
on September 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM, updated September 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

13012806-standard.jpgGenesee County Drain Commissioner Jeff Wright is shown at a Karegnondi Water Authority groundbreaking for the new water pipeline in this Flint Journal file photo.

GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- There is a purchase agreement in place to sell $35 million in bonds to finance start-up construction on the Karegnondi Water Authority pipeline to Lake Huron.

County Drain Commissioner Jeff Wright said today, Sept. 17, that he's very happy with the 5.04 percent interest rate for the 25-year borrowing.

Expected to be completed within two days, the sale comes after weeks of waiting following an Aug. 1 scheduled bond sale that was delayed because of unfavorable markets in the wake of Detroit's bankruptcy filing in July.

"We are certainly happy today. It was worth the wait," Wright said after reaching the agreement.

Wright and county officials have been waiting for the bond market for Michigan communities to improve, and the drain commissioner said he expects to borrow for the next phase of construction by the end of this year.

The $35 million bond sale will pay to complete the intake portion of the pipeline, which will draw water from Lake Huron before being transported here through the new pipeline.

Wright said he postponed plans to refinance $17 million in existing debt until lmarket conditions improve further.

The county and the city of Flint have already broken ground on the planned KWA water pipeline, a project that's estimated to cost $274 million, which includes the cost of borrowing.
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Flint needs politicians that can intelligently move this city forward. There has now been numerous votes on this issue and it has dragged on for years. Flint cannot move forward and attract business without an adequate and competitively priced water supply.
Post Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:07 pm 
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Attempt fails to force public vote in Flint on using tax money to pay for water pipeline
Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com By Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com
on November 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM, updated November 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM

FLINT, MI -- A drive to force a referendum on whether city officials can use tax money to pay for a new water pipeline has fallen short.

City attorney Pete Bade said today, Nov. 26, that the group pushing to collect 8,000 signatures in 45 days did not turn petitions in within the time frame.

The 45-day collection window started Oct. 3.

Flint is a partner in the Karegnondi Water Authority, which has broken ground on a new water supply line to Lake Huron.

The Flint Journal could not reach Bill Alexander, a co-chairman of the ballot question committee, or Flint Councilman Eric Mays, who organized the committee, for comment.

But Genesee County Drain Commissioner Jeff Wright said he was "pleased that the residents of the city of Flint affirmed their support for KWA by not taking part in the petition drive ...

"The lack of support for the petition drive shows clearly that the vast majority of the citizens of Flint are behind this project," Wright said in a statement issued by his office.

"At this point it would be my wish that everyone involved, including the supporters of the referendum attempt, work together to make sure KWA represents the needs if the entire city in the best ways possible."


The petition drive would have asked voters if they want Flint to be able to levy taxes to pay Flint’s $102 million portion of the pipeline.

The city is slated to pay about $6.8 million per year for KWA water, but if there isn’t adequate money in Flint's water and sewer fund, officials could increase taxes to pay the difference, Alexander has said.
Post Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:21 am 
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It was City Council and the Emergency manager administration that negotiated the amount of water to be part of the contract. If I remember correctly, they planned on a blended system of Flint and KWA water.

Brown bragged about surpluses in the water funds. However there was also discussion of using these funds to reduce the deficit. Huge amounts of water and sewer funds have been used for Smith Village.

Lost revenue because of the population exodus will decrease the amounts in these funds because expenses will not decrease just because usage goes down. The administration is hoping to encourage new residents to the Primary Service area described as 2 miles around downtown. It is anticipated the changes and revitalization of this area will encourage more affluent and educated individuals to move into this area.

What does this mean for the residents if these plans don't work? Will they try to increase the cost of water and sewer more. Wright is not the villain as he lowered the amount of water and council increased it. Will cheap home and land encourage people to move here? Or will high water bills, high special assessments and high income taxes encourage more to leave.

I was told a successful business man moved his family out of the Woodcroft area because he felt his taxation rates were too high. A number of these once high dollar homes are up for sale in Woodcroft Estates and some are at bargain prices. I was surprised to find out there was a adult foster care home on Hawthorne.

Aleander has had a mind set against KWA since the beginning but Mays allegedly told some people he was after the publicity.
Post Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:50 am 
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