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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: ?? for the libs</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45437#45437</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=50&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Dave Starr&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:01 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;It's all bushenglerwilliamson's fault.
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What has Obama done to correct things?  Hold staged media events &amp;amp; push congress to vote for bills without reading them.
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&quot;Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.&quot; ~Benjamin Franklin&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: From my wifes email</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45436#45436</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=50&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Dave Starr&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:58 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 13&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;back again schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;whoaaa adam......
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1.rwanda and china are like comparing apples to oranges. totally different situations.
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2.mutt didn't say to abolish weapons.
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3.flint didn't break out into a riot because the flint police didn't provoke anyone and chief robert leonard at the time hand his hands on the pulse of the local situation. i was in southwestern at the time and left school to see what was going on. i don't recall seeing ANYONE standing outside with GUNS loaded for bear!!!! now, were there some armed people ready just in case? probably so but by no means was it like you described.
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4. paranoia....what are you gonna do?? get 10,000 shells and wait for an internal war??&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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Bob Leonard was never chief of police.  He was the prosecutor.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: From my wifes email</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45435#45435</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=50&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Dave Starr&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:56 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 13&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;mutt of flint schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;okay, but why a semi automatic rifle then? no one is taking away your guns. they are only trying to reduce instances that harm, mame, or a theft that leads to murder or being falsley accuse, because you don't need an M-16 to hunt deer or to &quot;protect your house.&quot; by the way, funny thing about the &quot;from my cold dead hands&quot; speech. heston held a single shot musket for his example. I again ask you about semi automatic weapons, not purely hand guns.&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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I have a pump action rifle that I can shoot almost as fast as a semi-auto.  Want to ban that too?  The thrust is to try to ban any firearm with a removable magazine as an &quot;assault weapon&quot;.  You're right on one thing; an M-16 is a poor choice for home protection.  A shotgun with an 18&quot; barrel is much more effective.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: ?? for the libs</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45434#45434</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1615&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;back again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:59 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 9&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;that was a great answer mutt...... &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_cool.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Cool&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: ??? for conservatives</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45433#45433</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1615&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;back again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:57 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;uhhhhh  adam. dead horse. the dude is POTUS!!
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but...but....have they proven he's not an alien?????? &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: From my wifes email</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45432#45432</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1615&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;back again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:50 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;whoaaa adam......
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1.rwanda and china are like comparing apples to oranges. totally different situations.
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2.mutt didn't say to abolish weapons.
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3.flint didn't break out into a riot because the flint police didn't provoke anyone and chief robert leonard at the time hand his hands on the pulse of the local situation. i was in southwestern at the time and left school to see what was going on. i don't recall seeing ANYONE standing outside with GUNS loaded for bear!!!! now, were there some armed people ready just in case? probably so but by no means was it like you described.
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4. paranoia....what are you gonna do?? get 10,000 shells and wait for an internal war??
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Chavez, Castro and Obama</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45431#45431</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1615&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;back again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:37 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;oh yes, and of course thats why he LIBERATED IRAQ???????? &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_eek.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Shocked&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt; 
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wheres pan and 2tap..... &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: getready you krispie kremers!!!!!!</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45430#45430</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1615&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;back again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:35 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;well i'm sure 2tap and pan8 will give the &quot;limbaughed&quot; version of her press conference! &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;  &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: getready you krispie kremers!!!!!!</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45429#45429</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1693&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;mutt of flint&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:51 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;maybe she took an iq test and realized she was borderline retarded. that bitch was dumb.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Chavez, Castro and Obama</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45428#45428</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1693&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;mutt of flint&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:48 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;back again schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;W's horse is still breathing and will for a couple years. &lt;img src=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//images/smiles/icon_lol.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt; simple math.&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;       I agree, beacause if the shoe was on the other foot, we wouldn't hear the end of it. look, W's crime was pushing the idea of a phantom economy &amp;amp; ignoring all the problems that were becoming more and more evident. all I know is there was a man who wanted to run the country 10 years ago claiming to want to use the surplus when we needed it, like a rainy day fund and until that day, keeping it in, and this is where you'll know who I'm talking about, a lockbox. somebody else saw it coming and even after enron showed an small idea of what was happening, he did nothing. just slashed taxes for the rich and claiming the economy as a nonissue, much like the documents called &quot;bin laden determined to attack america.&quot;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: From my wifes email</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45427#45427</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1693&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;mutt of flint&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:39 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;okay, but why a semi automatic rifle then? no one is taking away your guns. they are only trying to reduce instances that harm, mame, or a theft that leads to murder or being falsley accuse, because you don't need an M-16 to hunt deer or to &quot;protect your house.&quot; by the way, funny thing about the &quot;from my cold dead hands&quot; speech. heston held a single shot musket for his example. I again ask you about semi automatic weapons, not purely hand guns.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: ??? for conservatives</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45426#45426</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1693&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;mutt of flint&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:28 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html&lt;/a&gt;
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PS mccain was born in panama
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: getready you krispie kremers!!!!!!</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45425#45425</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=50&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Dave Starr&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:34 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Maybe she's just tired of all the libs crapping on her every other day.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: From my wifes email</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45424#45424</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=158&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:16 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;mutt of flint schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;sounds to me that he agrees with the second amendment. see, most gun nuts can't even recite the 2nd amendment, but they sure as hell can tell you what it means. its a foggy, poorly worded clause from the 1700s that didn't take into account such things as kids shooting up schools or semi automatic weapons, for that matter. they didn't think ahead in this clause and I believe its the only clause they didn't attempt to think ahead about. yet, its still the only clause that republicans will defend. it took 5 minutes to load one bullet into a musket. in 5 minutes with a semi automatic weapon, you'll have already been through 3-4 clips. 
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and nevermind the poor safety measures taken by gun owners or the fact that they'll point out times someone killed someone who broke in their house &amp;amp; hypocritically condemn abortion as murder in the first degree. the 2nd amendment does not help your point of view, because its worded like miss teen south carolina. doesn't really help those who want stricter gun laws either. if we're going to have guns and have the unbelievable things that happen with gun laws that are too lenient, we should take into account reevaluating the 2nd amendment only. we should be looking into precautions for weapons. 
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let me tell you what one gun nut told me in defense of having a semi automatic rifle for deer hunting: &quot;it's the best gun I ever had.&quot; I asked him again why he needed so much of a devastating weapon and he repeated how awesome it was and that it increases his ability to kill deer and that the 2nd amendment tells him he can have it. seriously? is that the best arguments you people have?&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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Why do people like residents in Flint need guns when they have police to protect them? 
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Unarmed civilians in places like Ruwanda and Darfur are doing great aren't they. 
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Must be nice for communists in China to limit free speech and not have to worry about an armed rebellion. 
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Without guns I wouldn't be suprised if we would already be officially living in the Unitied States territory of the UN. 
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We've seen how well unarmed citizens in New Orleans did unless you consider women getting raped a good thing. 
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I don't trust Master Obama or the Flint police to protect me in a state of crisis any more then Bush and the New Orleans police did during Katrina. 
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If you go back in history in Flint I've heard stories that while Detroit burned during the riots armed civilians in Flint were standing guard and Flint for the most part came away unscathed while many areas in Detroi8t burned to the ground and were looted. 
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Even the United States Government advises citizens to be prepared for an emergency. I don't care how dedicated what's left of our decimated Flint police force is. Even if they all stayed on the job and left their families to fend for themselves it's clear they have serious trouble keeping things under control now even in a non state of emergency.
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Call me paranoid but that &quot;Hope and Change&quot; message just isn't getting through to me. I'm still seeing 500,000 jobs lost every single month while we wait on Obama's &quot;Green Jobs&quot; program to come through. In case you didn't know Granholm has been a leader in the &quot;Green Jobs&quot; movement. In Other words Obama is on Michigan's job creation plan which hasn't been going to great in case you didn't notice.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: ??? for conservatives</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=45423#45423</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=158&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Re: ??? for conservatives&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:00 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;mutt of flint schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;who do you want as your president? I don't care about obama's birth certificate as everything that you've argued has been proven false and ridiculous.&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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Who was the doctor that delivered Obama? Isn't that on a normal birth cirtificate? It's on mine. 
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The question is not whether Obama has a Hawaii birth cirtificate the question is does he &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rightsidenews.com/index2.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;do_pdf=1&amp;amp;id=2366&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;have a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; In other words, we still don't know if Obama was born in Hawaii or on foreign soil. 
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We might have had a chance with Ron Paul. We'll be lucky to make it through Obama's first term. Riht now it looks like the 2012 matchup will be Obama verses Palin and possibly Jesse Ventura running as an independent.
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flintmayor.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;Adam Ford&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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