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LT have ya ever read what the Kyoto treaty which AL claims the US must sign involves?

Kyoto? No Go.
How to combat "global warming" without destroying the economy.

BY PETE DU PONT
Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

Did the 1970s mark the beginning of an ice age? Scientists and the press thought so. In 1971 Global Ecology forecast the "continued rapid cooling of the earth." The New York Times reported in 1975 that "many signs" suggest that the "earth may be headed for another ice age," and Science magazine that this cooling could be the beginning of "a full-blown 10,000-year ice age." It seemed sensible because, as NASA data show, there was indeed a 30-year, 0.2-degree Celsius cooling trend from 1940 to 1970.

So are we now at the beginning of a global warming catastrophe? Again, scientists and the press think so: the same NASA data indicates a 0.7-degree warming trend from 1970 to 2000. The Washington Post's David Ignatius reflects the media view in saying that "human activity is accelerating dangerous changes in the world's climate."

But it is not clear that human activity is wholly responsible. The Washington Policy Center reports that Mount Rainier in Washington state grew cooler each year from 1960 to 2003, warming only in 2004. And Mars is warming significantly. NASA reported last September that the red planet's south polar ice cap has been shrinking for six years. As far as we know few Martians drive SUVs or heat their homes with coal, so its ice caps are being melted by the sun--just as our Earth's are. Duke University scientists have concluded that "at least 10 to 30 percent of global warming measured during the past two decades may be due to increased solar output."

So what is causing these cooling and warming increases? Normal temperature trends? Solar radiation changes? Or human-caused global warming? There is little we can do about historical temperature or solar heat cycles, but if human actions are in fact causing global warming, what could be done to reduce it?





One remedy is improved technology, and here America is making significant progress. Philip Deutch's article in the December edition of Foreign Policy lays it out: "Today's cars use only 60 percent of the gasoline they did in 1972; new refrigerators about one third the electricity; and it now takes 55 percent less oil and gas than in 1973 to generate the same amount of gross domestic product." The cost of wind power production is down 80% over 20 years, and "the cost of solar power has fallen from almost $1 per kilowatt to less than 18 cents."
On the other hand, there are some remedies that are not being pursued. "More than 50 percent of U.S. consumers," Deutch notes, "have the option of buying electricity generated from renewable energy sources. . . . Only 1 or 2 percent actually do." And while two dozen low-pollution nuclear power plants are under construction in nine nations (and another 40 are planned), in America government regulation has virtually stopped nuclear plant construction. Our last nuclear plant was ordered in 1973 and completed in 1996, and no others are under construction.

We also know that the Kyoto Treaty will do little to solve the carbon-dioxide problem. Masquerading as a global environmental policy, Kyoto exempts half of the world's population and nine of the top 20 emitters of carbon dioxide--including China and India--from its emissions reduction requirements. It is in fact an effort to replace the world's markets with an internationally regulated (think U.N.) global economy, perhaps better described as a predatory trade strategy to level the world's economic playing field by penalizing the economic growth of energy efficient nations and rewarding those emitting much greater quantities of noxious gasses. Which explains why in 1997 the U.S. Senate voted 95-0 to oppose the signing of any international protocol that would commit Western nations to reduce emissions unless developing countries had to do so as well.

As The Wall Street Journal recently pointed out, almost none of the nations that signed on are meeting Kyoto's requirements. Thirteen of the original 15 European signatories will likely miss the 2010 emission reduction targets. Spain will miss its target by 33 percentage points and Denmark by 25 points. Targets aside, Greece and Canada have seen their emissions rise by 23% and 24%, respectively, since 1990. As for America, our emissions have increased 16%, so we are doing better than many of the Kyoto nations.





In the December 2004 issue of Environment, Princeton professors Robert Socolow and Stephen Pacala calculated what actions would be necessary to keep global emissions at their current levels for the next 50 years. Rejecting the Kyoto approach, they conclude that new energy strategies would be monumental efforts that "must be implemented on a massive scale across all sectors of the economy and in countries at all stages of economic development":
For starters, replace every burned-out incandescent light bulb in the world with a compact fluorescent bulb, which is four times as energy-efficient.

Then construct two million new wind turbines--a 50-fold expansion of wind power machines. To function properly they must be far enough apart to allow wind pressure to flow between them, so about five turbines per square mile can be installed. But windmill construction is controversial. The environmentally dedicated Kennedy family has already forbidden wind power off their summer island of Nantucket. Why? Because, says Robert Kennedy Jr., a lawyer with the Natural Resources Defense Counsel, the wind farm would "damage the views from 16 historic sites." One of them, of course, is the Kennedy family summer compound.

Using natural gas instead of burning coal would help a great deal too. Messrs. Socolow and Pacala say that "50 large liquefied natural gas (LNG) tankers docking and unloading every day" would do it, or "building the equivalent of the Alaska natural gas pipeline . . . every year." In America today LNG terminals and pipelines can't get anywhere near the support they need from members of Congress or state legislators, for both are believed to be too dangerous and too environmentally risky.

One million square miles--about the size of India--of cropland to grow sugar cane to turn into ethanol is another option the Princeton scholars offer up.

Finally there is the nuclear energy option, not one that the U.S. has been willing to participate in for the past 30 years. Globally some 700 new nuclear plants would be needed to meet the carbon-dioxide reduction goal, assuming of course that we can deal with the nuclear weapons risk posed by each of these plants, as we are now trying to do with Iran.

None of these startling recommendations--except perhaps the light bulbs--are economically or politically inexpensive, and none are going to come to pass in the foreseeable future. So the Princeton professors suggest a 10-year, 20% solution as a first step: just 400,000 new wind turbines, 140 nuclear plants, 10 natural gas pipelines and so forth.





As these politically explosive ideas are endlessly debated, the best things we can do are, first, to reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses in ways that do not reduce economic growth; and second, to keep improving technology--in cars, electric generating plants and manufacturing machinery. Third, we must keep researching the real cause of climate change to understand better the sun's solar output and the historical rise and fall of global temperatures.
Finally, we must permanently reject the Kyoto concept, for international regulation of the world's economic process would be the beginning of the end of the world's opportunities.
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Show me someone who is irresponsibly polluting anything and getting away with it.


I don't know for sure, but my first 3 guesses would be China, India & Mexico. And of course it's our responsibility to make up for their transgressions. Rolling Eyes
Post Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:12 am 
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last time here schreef:
you kats ever been to la or hollywood?? Wink Wink
come on FC..many scientists say ??????? all you gotta do is travel and look!


Wow....you mean California has the toughest environmental laws in the country and the worst pollution?

I don't travel, because anytime I leave Genesee County I don't want to come back to this sewer.

And, yes, many scientists say. Are you telling me you're smarter than them? (Actually, that wouldn't surprise me...I'm pretty skeptical of all the chicken littles out there, no matter what the topic.)

I remember the 70's, when the "scientists" couldn't agree on whether the hole in the ozone was going to cause global warming or global freezing.

I remember when we were all going to die from Avian bird flu, SARS, you name it, there were a dozen other things before that.

Hell, I even remember when "scientists" said Pluto was a planet.
Post Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:26 am 
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yup me too.
Post Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:33 am 
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Hell, I even remember when "scientists" said Pluto was a planet.
See new thread, Silenced Majority Portal: Political Humor/Life/Fun.
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so FC. you don't travel which means you only know and see what
your shown and told.....? regarding kyoto, i've never said america
should have signed that particular treaty, i only believe america HAS
to contribute to the health of this planet. does america do that now??
yes, probably among the best on earth!! can she do more than mandate
30 miles per gallon in 2025? HELL YES!!! Wink

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you kats ever been to la or hollywood?? Wink Wink
come on FC..many scientists say ??????? all you gotta do is travel and look!
Affirmative. March-November, 1966. Driving down the freeway with tears flowing down my cheeks from stinging smog! Not every day, but had enough to know it's a nice place to visit!
Post Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:46 pm 
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Is it still that way?
Post Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:17 pm 
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so FC. you don't travel which means you only know and see what your shown and told.....?


If you mean slanted news media reports, no, I watch very little of that. The internet is a beautiful thing. If you look, you can find the truth. It's out there.
Post Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:29 pm 
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And of course we have this bunch doing their part to conserve. Hope they got plenty of carbon credits from their hero. Algore Rolling Eyes I wonder when they will come out with a ribbon to wear to show how concerned they really are. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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is that vinny barbarino??? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Naw its the star of the greatest TV program in history. Al Bundy. Laughing
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