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Just think how cold it would be. 
Temps Plunge to Record as Cold Snap Freezes North, East States...
CHILL MAP...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Peru's mountain people 'face extinction because of cold conditions'...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
World copes with Arctic weather...
Wheres our local climate expert to splain this to us less eduakated and will national geographcrap cover this??? 
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| It's chilly here. Almost every house on our side of the block is having heat problems - low gas pressure. A furnace guy called by our next door neighbor said that this area has problems with water in the gas mains. |
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Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:45 am |
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| Hmmm water and iron gas pipes not a good mix. Whats that hissing sound?? |
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:16 pm |
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Just settling back in after a lovely two week trip to the cold north with the girlfriend and not quite prepared yet to start debating age old topics that you'll never learn from anyway.
Thanks for asking though! |
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:07 pm |
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| Glad to see you back Domet! |
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Domet, are you true to your envroimental credo? You state that you just got back from being up North, correct? Did you drive a car there and back? If so ,why? Why not take a dog sled team ? Of course you would have to clean up after the dogs so not to damage this pristine landscape up North there. Why go North Domet? Why run the risk of harming any living thing in that Northern landscape? Did you cross country ski or downhill ski while vacationing? Aren't some of the finishes on skies risky for the enviroment? I assume you used a bathroom while there ( even a Marxist like yourself can't hold it in for 2 weeks) when you went to bathroom you released gases that may cause global warming or create a hole in the ozone. Did you consume foods packed in all ecologically sound packaging? Did you have a heated cabin, heated by rapidly diminishing fossilized fuels or by (GASP) wood? Did your stay in our Northern woods call upon the trees to surrender their lives in order that you and your girlfriend may have a "romantic" fire in a fireplace ? I just know you didn't run around in one of those dreadful snowmobiles did you Domet? Did you take two weeks to take a vacation because you and your girl friend hiked all the way to your destination and back ? If you didn't hike , why not? Hiking is good, as long as you don't use boots with synthetic materials .
See Domet, you guys have to extra careful , otherwise Al Gore may boot you out of his camp. And we know Lil ACORN would wail and cry if that happened. So much so that he may have to use tissues , and that would piss Al off even more. |
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:59 pm |
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quote:
Thanks for asking though!
What makes you think I was referring to you??? Did you miss the part about "climate expert" which you have already proven not to be.That legend in your own mind ego trip your on just keeps bursting forward with every post you make.
Heres an update of factual stuff.
Winter Could Be Worst in 25 Years for USA...
CHILL MAP...
3 Deaths Due To Cold in Memphis...
PAPER: GAS SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT IN UK...
Elderly burn books for warmth?
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...
Historic ice build-up shuts down NJ nuclear power plant...
Midwest Sees Near-Record Lows, Snow By The Foot...
Miami shivers from coldest weather in decade... |
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:48 pm |
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Pissed, you're full of it, and have been since day one. You have no idea what my "environmental credo" is, but you certainly jump to assume quickly in an effort to show how clever and smart you are. Pity you fail regularly on both counts. I do not consider myself an environmentalist for the record, though I do consider myself informed as to the environment, something you clearly are not, and consider it something worth while to pay attention to.
As to twotap - because that's how you've referred to me before. You can back track now, but since my data and information sources have yet to be debunked by you, I have no choice but to continue concluding you have no idea what you're talking about.
Almost missed the hilarity of these two, but I found other ways to be entertained.
Thanks for the welcome Webs - it was almost sad to come back, but the terrible driving and lake effect snow I left in helped alleviate that sadness pretty quickly, heh. |
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yup domets back WITH A VENGEANCE!!
2tap may have a retort but pissed is done for another week. |
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Yup domets back and making even less sense then before although you can tell he believes everyword he says, its that legend in own mind thingy he has going on and maybe being slightly snowblind from his little Northern jaunt. Myself ill stick with facts and the real climate experts who know what they are talking about and who are jumping off ALgores ship in record numbers.
December 18, 2009 (pop.org) - How do you create a Global Warming panic when the weather isn’t cooperating? Here are a few tricks of the trade that the scammers are using to explain away the recent cooling trend, as revealed by the hacked e-mails of the world’s leading advocates of man-made Global Warming.
As you read these disturbing e-mails, bear in mind that Obama administration officials remain determined--scandal or no scandal, fraud or no fraud--to compromise the future prosperity and security of our country by their CO2 cap-and-tax schemes.
Trick No. 1: You Destroy Conflicting Data:
Phil Jones, who directs the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, was emphatic in his 21 February 2005 e-mail to American Mike “Hockey Stick” Mann and two others: “I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act!”
Here Jones appears to violate a basic rule of scientific research, namely, that you make your raw data available on request so that others can verify--or disprove--your hypothesis. Why would the CRU director not be happy to turn over his evidence of climate change, unless . . . his original temperature data didn’t show any convincing rise in temperature at all and it had been conveniently “lost” in consequence?
And it is not his temperature data anyway. The whole CRU was in fact set up in the early 1980s (with funding from the U.S. Department of Energy!) to produce the world's first comprehensive record of surface temperature. Phil Jones and Tom Wigley were sent data gathered over the course of decades by thousands of temperature recording stations located in dozens of countries. This “Jones and Wigley" record, as it is called, served until 2007 as the primary reference standard for the UN climate panel.
After years of stonewalling, Jones now admits that he “merged the data we have received into existing series or begun new ones. . . . Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e., quality controlled and homogenized) data.” (See Phil Jones to Graham F Haughton, 27 October 2009)
In other words, this valuable data set, compiled at great expense . . . was discarded. It doesn’t require an advanced degree in the hard sciences (which I have, by the way) to understand that you never, ever, under any circumstances destroy raw data. (The claim that “data storage” was lacking is nonsense.)
Did the raw temperature data contain an inconvenient truth? Can anyone spell c-o-v-e-r u-p?
Trick No. 2: You Cherry Pick Your Data to Show a Recent Rise in Temperatures:
Mike Mann is the author of the now famous “hockey stick” graph, which asserts that global temperatures remaining virtually fixed for centuries, then shot up in the last few decades. The “hockey stick” was Exhibit Number One in the UN’s 2001 climate report, which went on to claim that this dramatic increase in temperature was the result of human activity. (See Graph 1)
The graph was questioned even by the Global Warmers themselves, one of whom wrote that “Mann is an outlier though not egregiously so.” (Curt Covey to Christopher Monckton, 5 February 2007).
Mann refused to release either his data or his algorithm for years, but the Climategate e-mails reveal an even more disturbing instance of cherry-picking data.
The story is too complicated to tell in detail (the whole sordid tale can be found here,) but it involves another famous “hockey stick” graph, this one based on tree rings from Yamal, Russia. This was crafted by another CRU Global Warmer, Keith Briffa. It went on to be used in a dozen other temperature reconstructions, all of which the UN climate panel said validated Mann’s original graph. But Briffa, like Mann and his own boss, Phil Jones, for ten years refused to release the data on which he based his graph.
When Briffa’s hand was finally forced a few weeks ago, it turned out that he had used only a tiny, biased fraction of the raw data available. When skeptic Steve McIntyre calculated a revised chronology based on more complete data, the sharp temperature increase at the end of the twentieth century simply vanished. The twentieth century now showed no significant trend. The blade of the Yamal hockey stick was gone.
Phil Jones later claimed in an e-mail to Graham F. Haughton on 27 October 2009 that “The claims of [Steve McIntyre] are exaggerated.”
Left unanswered is the question of why his Institute seems to specialize in cherry-picking data to bolster the case for “Global Warming,” while keeping the original data--which weakens the case--under wraps?
Trick No. 3: You “Adjust” Away Inconvenient Trends That Threaten to Derail Your Hypothesis:
The warming trend of the early Twentieth Century, which ran from 1910 to 1940, is a major embarrassment for the Global Warmers. They can’t simply ignore this “bend” in the hockey stick, because it is too well-known and too well-documented. But neither can they blame it on people and their infernal combustion engines, since atmospheric CO2 scarcely increased over this time period.
Instead, they go to great lengths to try and “adjust it away,” as Tom Wigley explains to Phil Jones:
Dear Phil,
Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs [Sea Surface Temperatures] to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. . . . The land also shows the 1940s blip . . . So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC [degrees Centigrade], then this would be significant for the global mean--but we’d still have to explain the land blip. . . . I’ve chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and I think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip. . . . My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from. . . . It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with ‘why the blip.’
In case you didn’t get all that, let me translate what Wigley is saying into plain English:
“I am fudging the data to take out as much of the ocean warming as I can. I can’t take out all of it, because then we would have no explanation for the land warming, which would raise suspicions. But even with my fudge factor, we still don’t have a convincing explanation for why the ocean warmed during this period.”
Why the blip, indeed.
By the way, the Climategate deniers who dissed the e-mails as “ten years old” should note that the date on this one is 27 September 2009.
Trick No. 4: You Cherry Pick the Model to “Prove” Global Warming is Real.
This 14 October 2009 e-mail from insider Tom Wigley to Mike “Hockey Stick” Mann speaks for itself:
“The figure you sent [from Gavin Schmidt] is very deceptive. As an example, historical runs with PCM (Parallel Climate Model) look as thought they match observations--but the match is a fluke. PCM has no indirect aerosol forcing and a low climate sensitivity--compensating errors. In my (perhaps too harsh) view, there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by [the UN climate panel].”
The response, from Schmidt himself, makes it clear that he was working backward from the recent cooling trend to salvage the Global Warming models. “The kinds of things we are hearing, “no model showed a cooling”, the “data is outside the range of the models,” need to be addressed directly,” Schmidt explained.
His “very deceptive” figure was an effort to make the real world data showing static or cooling temperatures appear not to contradict the model predicting Global Warming. You get the idea.
You won’t hear them talk like this in public, of course, where they close ranks in defense of their increasingly discredited theory.
Trick No. 5: You Spend a Lot of time Promoting Your Views with the Media--and Publicly Attacking Your Skeptics.
When the BBC finally--after a decade of no global warming--began to tentatively question whether temperatures were rising after all, the Global Warmers circulated frantic e-mails entitled the “BBC U-turn on climate.”
The reaction of Mike “Hockey Stick” Mann was to go after the reporter:
xtremely disappointing to see something like this appear on BBC. It’s particularly odd, since climate is usually Richard Black’s beat at BBC (and he does a great job). From what I can tell, this guy was formerly a weather person at the Met Office (British Meteorological Office). . . . it might be appropriate for the Met Office to have a say about this, I might ask Richard Black what’s up here? (Michael Mann to Phil Jones, Tom Wigley and others, 13 October 2009)
Trick No. 6: “The Science is Settled. The Science is Settled.”
Realizing that their models are open to question, the Global Warmers have tried frantically to shut off debate by chanting in unison: “The science is settled. The science is settled.” Critics are mocked and derided.
When one scientist suggested that skeptics like Fred Singer and Lord Christopher Monckton be taken seriously, “Hockey Stick” Mann exploded: “I can’t believe the nonsense you are spouting, and I furthermore cannot imagine why you would be so presumptuous as to entrain me into an exchange with these charlatans.”
What set him off was Lord Monckton’s comment, forwarded in an e-mail, that the UN climate reports were unreliable:
I understand that the IPCC's [the UN climate panel’s] 2007 draft does not contain an apology for the defective "hockey-stick" graph, which the US National Academy of Sciences has described as having "a validation skill not significantly different from zero."
In plain English, this means the graph was rubbish. It is difficult to have confidence in a body which, after its principal conclusion is demonstrated in the peer-reviewed, scientific literature and in numerous independent reports as having been useless, fails to make the appropriate withdrawal and apology. Worse, the UN continues to use the defective graph. This failure of basic academic honesty on the IPCC's part was the main reason why I began my investigation of the supposed climate-change "consensus".
Contrary to what you may have heard, the science of “man-made Global Warming” was never settled. Now that these e-mails have exposed the duplicity of that theory’s chief backers, perhaps we can begin trying to understand what, if anything, is really happening with the earth’s climate.
For, as Kevin Trenberth admitted to Mike “Hockey Stick” Mann on 14 October 2009: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”
The e-mails do prove one thing, however. They make abundantly clear that much of what was presented as objective “scientific research” by the Global Warmers was nothing more than cleverly disguised advocacy for the radical environmentalist, radical anti-people belief that man is slowly destroying his planet.
ENTER DOMET AND BACkAGIN FROM STAGE LEFT
At the end of the day, it may turn out that the only thing “man-made” about Global Warming is the hysteria and hot air that has been generated by theory’s heated backers. That is certainly anthropogenic.
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duh... ever heard of greenland? or the maldives?..
stop wasting your time reading partisan crap and spend a little time investigating. 
were talking about a
planet??
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:41 pm |
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You mean earth right???
Frozen Britain: Send This Photo to Al Gore
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Infowars.com
January 8, 2010
Al Gore and the green globalists continue to peddle the lie that the earth is experiencing man-made climate change and if we don’t allow a gaggle of psychopathic eugenicists to impose world-government and carbon taxes, we are all doomed. In fact, the earth is cooling, as CRU professors Jones and Mann knew but attempted to cover up in emails (”hide the decline” in temperature, they wrote). The photo below, taken by NASA’s Terra satellite on January 7, reveals an unusually frozen England.
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:50 am |
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| "info wars" explains it all... |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:02 pm |
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Actually!! Algore the carbon king splains it all. Well at least to the sheeple:lol: HEY BA follow the money.
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| still on that partisan kick eh? |
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