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Adam
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Good thing for our "dumb" college students they have the "wise" hand of Granholm to help decide for them what careers they should pursue.
http://www.mlive.com/flintjournal/index.ssf/2008/03/at_umflint_nursing_will_pay_of.html
FLINT, Michigan -- Nursing students are worth four times more than business students when it comes to Gov. Jennifer Granholm's new proposed funding formula for higher education.
And at the University of Michigan-Flint, that's not such bad news since the university issued roughly 30 percent more nursing degrees, or 30 more students, in 2006-2007 than 2005-2006.
Meanwhile, the university doled out 14 percent fewer business degrees, 20 students less, in those same years.
But in areas such as math and engineering, which also get higher values in the new formula, the university will need a boost.
For the first time, Granholm is offering universities financial incentives for students who complete degrees.
But her new formula gives schools four times extra credit for students who complete math, science, engineering and health degrees and math- and science-related teaching degrees than other areas such as liberal arts or business.
"Enrollment growth is on the forefront for our campus," said Fawn Skarsten, director of UM-Flint's Institutional Analysis.
"Students excel in certain areas and we try to build upon the strengths and interests of the student. We don't try to put a square peg in a round hole
"But students are savvy and they realize (for example) that there are a lot of jobs in nursing and our nursing programs have been growing."
Granholm's plan is part of her proposed state budget, which must be approved by the Legislature.
Officials at the UM-Flint, the only local institution to fall under the formula as a four-year university, say there will be a focus to increase numbers in areas the governor has highlighted.
Some need more work than others.
Nursing has seen the biggest growth on campus, with 386 students accepted into the program in fall 2007, compared to 309 in fall 2006.
When combined with students still completing prerequisites for the program, there were 858 nursing students compared to 714 the year before.
UM-Flint's nursing director Margaret Andrews attributes much of the increase to more students going back for a second degree in nursing and the projected national and local shortage.
Some students see it as a safe bet career choice.
"There's a growing demand for nurses and even with the increase in interest, I think we are still going to have a shortage," said UM-Flint student Colleen Knecht, 24, of Grand Blanc, who already has a degree in biological sciences and is getting a second one in nursing.
"Nursing is versatile and I know I will always be able to find a job and that I can find a job pretty much anywhere I want."
But areas such as elementary education, which had 139 graduates last year, and business, in which 129 students got degrees, are still top choices, as they are at many other universities. |
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Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:55 pm |
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Give your socialism witch hunt a rest, Adam. How is this any different than providing financial incentives like tax breaks to corporations who choose to move to Michigan – as oppose to letting the free market decide whether they should or not? This too, is an incentive – not a mandate. And it's based squarely on projected trends in labor supply and demand for health care. Think of it as the long-term planning (i.e. the world beyond this fiscal quarter, Fritz) that somebody who 'runs the state like a CEO' is suppose to do. I'd much rather have my tax dollars go to train fellow Michiganders who need good jobs and who are going to be taking care of our aging baby-boom parents than throw it at some Fortune 500 flash in the pan who's only here to drive down wages and reap the benefits of our public funds for their private interests.
I don't see Big Health Care making any effort what so ever to train and educate the nurses it supposedly so desperately needs. Isn't that their job as good business people, Adam? Wouldn't they want to develop their own best and brightest nurses? Isn't that their product? Providing health care? Or is it more accurate and more true to how business works these days for them to outsource their workforce development needs to taxpayers?
Again, all side effects of a profit-motive infected system that claims it exists to make sick people well, rather than stockholders rich. |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:18 am |
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http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=12532
As Michigan Sinks
by Jack Lessenberry
3/5/2008
Welcome to Michigan, comrades. Say, did you know that you live in the only state where you have no right to sue big pharmaceutical companies, no matter what their products do to you?
That means that if you take some drug like Vioxx and it kills you, why, too bad and tough luck, old chap. Drug companies have complete immunity from prosecution here, as long as their products have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
There now. Don't you feel better? After all, you know what brilliant appointments the Bush gang has made. Why, there was Don Rumsfeld, the architect of our defeat in Iraq, and the former horse judge, Mike Brown (You're doin' a heck of a job, Brownie!), the Shrub named to run FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
And naturally, the FDA would never, ever approve a drug that might harm any of us, even if Bush's friends in the pharmaceutical industry were anxious to get down to making big money.
Unfortunately, there have been a few problems. Like the fact that some of the drugs approved since the law was passed turned out to kill people. Like Vioxx, now pulled from the marketplace.
Then there was Rezulin, a diabetes drug that was first approved in 1996, the year the Michigan law first took effect. They pulled it off the shelves four years later, after it had been linked to, oh, 400 deaths and hundreds of cases of complete liver failure.
The drug was made, by the way, by a unit of Pfizer, which used to have a huge, sprawling research operation in Ann Arbor. Last year, the company showed its gratitude to Michigan by closing its Ann Arbor operations, destroying more than 2,400 jobs.
Hey, it's all good. Except when it isn't, and now, 27 Michigan residents who believe Rezulin harmed them are attempting to get relief in the U.S. Supreme Court. The question is whether federal or state law will take precedence when the two conflict.
There is a possible loophole in the Michigan law; a company can be sued if it is proven that they lied to the FDA about what their drug does. They can also be sued if they concealed information about the drug, and there are allegations that may have happened too.
Last month, in a similar case, the high court ruled that patients injured by defective medical devices can't sue in state courts — again, if the product was approved for sale by the good old FDA. Worse, the court handed down an 8-1 verdict. That suggests we might be in for more of the same with drugs. On the plus side, Chief Justice John Roberts is sitting out this one, since he owns stock in Pfizer. (Why am I not surprised?)
Meanwhile, back in Lansing, the good guys in the Legislature have been trying to do something. Many of them have been besieged by constituents who have been harmed by these drugs, like Sheila Bokenkotter of Grand Rapids, who suffered a sudden stroke in 2002. Doctors could find no reason for her to stroke out. ...
Except that she took Vioxx. The Muskegon Chronicle thinks she would likely have sued and won in any of the 49 other states, but in Michigan, the laws says she isn't allowed to.
Last year the Democrats who control the Michigan House passed a package of bills ending the drug companies' total immunity. But the Republican-controlled Senate, once again, failed to act. This is not a surprise. Majority Leader Mike Bishop, the Rochester Republican who runs the Senate, has never shown any sign of interest in doing anything for people, especially people who need some help.
From the moment he slathers on his hair gel in the morning, he lives to service corporations. His fellow Republican, Sen. Tom George of Kalamazoo, has an anti-smoking bill. Big Mike won't even allow a vote on it.
Nor is he going to allow a vote to end the drug companies' power to use us as guinea pigs. After all, his term ends in less than three years, and he'll need a job. (He appears to be moving toward the dim realization that he doesn't have enough money, or speak well enough, to be elected governor.)
There is always the possibility that we could put pressure on his fellow Republican senators to force a vote, but that would take a lot of work. So instead, you might want to relax, swallow that pill, and remember that giant drug corporations are your friends. |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:45 am |
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Demeralda
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That is unbelievable to me, I've heard a lot about it lately. The standard for the burden of proof is ridiculous -- they basically have to be caught red handed in a lie. Whatever. They don't want you to "poison" yourself with homegrown marijuana, but they're happy to let the pharmaceuticals poison you.
On another note, I love Jack Lessenberry. |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:01 pm |
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Adam Ford
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quote:
Public D schreef:
Give your socialism witch hunt a rest, Adam. How is this any different than providing financial incentives like tax breaks to corporations who choose to move to Michigan – as oppose to letting the free market decide whether they should or not? This too, is an incentive – not a mandate. And it's based squarely on projected trends in labor supply and demand for health care. Think of it as the long-term planning (i.e. the world beyond this fiscal quarter, Fritz) that somebody who 'runs the state like a CEO' is suppose to do. I'd much rather have my tax dollars go to train fellow Michiganders who need good jobs and who are going to be taking care of our aging baby-boom parents than throw it at some Fortune 500 flash in the pan who's only here to drive down wages and reap the benefits of our public funds for their private interests.
You're right about some things. I don't support discrimination nor do I support high taxes on individuals and businesses. With our high taxes and anti business policies I can see why liberals would support feel good strategies to attract jobs. Unlike you I don't believe government is the solution to attracting jobs. I believe government is the problem and not the solution.
Eventually as our situation continues to deterioate we will be forced to go towards hard right conservativism because we will not be able to afford any feel good legislation and taxes.
If it makes you feel better though it was a "Republican" George Romney that signed the stupid income tax bill. I am fiercly opposed to that decision he made and feel we need to transition towards repealing that crap legislation. |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:49 pm |
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Feel good strategies? Is that conservative for 'strategies that help people rather than corporations?' Enlighten us, what is your feel bad plan for creating jobs in Michigan that doesn't require any involvement from local, state or federal governments? And what exactly are those anti-business policies you keep referring to? Big Pharma's immunity from consumer lawsuits in Michigan sounds pretty friendly to me. Guess Pfizer was just depressed. Zoloft, anyone? Or maybe we should build our new economy around the bankruptcy bonanza, all facets of vulture capitalism, corporate attorney fees all around, trickle, trickle, anything you can do we can do cheaper, we can do anything cheaper than you!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1126279/posts
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803020319 |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:26 pm |
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Adam Ford
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Feel good strategies are strategies that help people at the expense of people. Example raising taxes for everyone so everyone can have healthcare.
Killing taxes and making Michigan more business friendly.
Laws and regulations that favor attorneys ang goverment employees.
I do diagree with the big pharma thing.
We can do things cheaper for ourselves and the world or let china and india do it. If we let china and india do it cheaper they will.
I am not a neoconservative. I do not support central planning like liberals and many neoconservatives. Granholm is a major proponent of corporate welfare and corporate discrimination. I am a true conservative. I do not support discrimination. Corporate welfare involves discrimination. |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:54 pm |
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Public D
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quote:
Adam Ford schreef:
Feel good strategies are strategies that help people at the expense of people. Example raising taxes for everyone so everyone can have healthcare.
Why tax everyone? I'd feel fine about repealing Bush's tax cut for the richest 1%. I'd feel fine about bringing corporate taxes back to where they were in the 50s. I'd feel fine about adding Hummers and diamonds to the sin tax list. Or does this violate your discrimination sensibilities? I'd argue that it would be the epitome of economic justice.
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Adam Ford schreef:
We can do things cheaper for ourselves and the world or let china and india do it. If we let china and india do it cheaper they will.
Sorry. You can't discount and cost cut and union bust and pension steal and health care slash and raise freeze and wage reduce and higher ed gate-keep and dig a slow hole to China and McManage yourself into a higher standard of living, better quality of life and brighter future for all Americans. That's how we ended up with the economic disparity (discrimination) we have now. |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:51 am |
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Hummers and diamonds to the sin tax list
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:11 am |
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Dave Starr
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| Well, I know he's not a diamond, so.......................................... |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:42 am |
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twotap
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| Everytime I hear someone whining about someone else what they have and what they spend their money on I think of this guy. He was in his past one of the most anticapitalist, anti big business, tax the rich feed the poor till their are no rich no more (What happens than?) types. Of course he has since moved on and ya have to wonder as he wallows around in his hot tub behind his multimillion dollar home while viewing the sunset over Torch Lake and enjoying a bucket of chicken what his thoughts on the Hummers and diamonds idea would be. I have a feeling most of the hate the rich types would trade spots with old Mike in a flash if they could just figure out how to do it. Than it would be Hummers and diamonds all around. |
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:39 am |
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Every time I hear someone defend or deny corporate dominance I think of this guy:
Poor twotap. Despite the valiant efforts of many people (including twotap and Moore himself), Michael Moore ≠ The Left (or progressives or liberals or even libturds ha ha ha). You're gonna kill a lot of trees keeping up with your exploding wacko blacklist in the years ahead:
http://www.adbusters.org/the_magazine/75/When_the_Center_Collapsed.html |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:33 pm |
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twotap
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| Who said twotap was poor??? By the way do you consider
yourself
a Certified Christian Libturd?? |
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:14 pm |
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Public D
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quote:
twotap schreef:
By the way do you consider
yourself
a Certified Christian Libturd??
Hardly matters. We all know that what's important is what
you
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:25 pm |
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twotap
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That reminds me its almost time to trade the Hummer off for a new one.
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:38 pm |
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