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Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:23 pm |
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Adam Ford
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| The 911 hijackers have the U.S. Government to thank for there rules protecting the hijackers from armed pilots. Although our interrogation techniques are supposed to be classiffied it wasn't classified on 911 that our airline pilots were unarmed. |
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Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:25 pm |
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Ponycar
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| Proof that if guns were outlawed, only outlaws will have them. |
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Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:25 pm |
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Dave Starr
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| If guns are outlawed, I'll be an outlaw. |
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:05 am |
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i think he's referring to mr.horn??
I think he may have failed to read or grasp the meaning of the first post.  Since we have two of the most "antigun" Democraps that being Hillary and Barack fighting for the whitehouse anything to do with 2nd ammendment rights and what happens when they are denied is high on my list of subjects.  |
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:12 am |
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exactly what has hillary and/or obama said that was anti-self protection?  |
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:21 pm |
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Hillary Clinton: Socialist Gun-Grabber
by Craig Fields
Director of Internet Operations
It is patently obvious that Hillary Clinton's policies are of a decidely socialist bent -- generally along the European model. America awakened to this truth as a result of the "Hillarycare" debacle during her husband's first term.
Since becoming a Senator from New York, though, she has added big-government gun control to her resume.
There is really little point in detailing Clinton's vote-by-vote record on the Second Amendment. That's because every single time there has been a gun-related vote in the Senate that GOA has tracked, Sen. Clinton has voted anti-gun. Without fail, she opts to restrict the rights of Americans to keep and bear firearms -- 100% of the time.
So, in keeping with the socialist ideals which guide her policies in other areas, she's a dedicated gun-grabber.
But the danger is far greater than that. She doesn't just vote wrong... she is an active leader in the campaign to disarm the citizenry step by step. Thus, it is far more telling to discuss what previous and upcoming restrictive legislation she cosponsors.
Sponsoring bills is the hallmark of the most outspoken anti-gun leaders such as Rep. Carolyn McCarthy and Sen. Chuck Schumer. They constantly come up with new ideas to chip away at the Second Amendment and then write them into legislation. Clinton doesn't do this at all. She's too busy socializing other aspects of American life.
Any legislator can write any bill he or she wants, but getting one passed is (thankfully) another story indeed. That's where cosponsorship comes into play. Telling fellow legislators "Hey, I'm with you on this... put my name on the bill, too" is Sen. Clinton's preferred course of action.
The bottom line legislatively is that bills with large numbers of cosponsors stand a much greater chance of getting committee hearings, then voted out of committee, and finally scheduled for a full vote on the floor of the legislative body. Cosponsorship is important, and it identifies those (in addition to the bill's author) who are leading the charge for its passage. It is so important that the GOA rating of "F-" is reserved solely for sponsors and cosponsors of anti-gun bills -- no legislator can drop that low in any other manner, even with a 0% voting record such as Clinton's.
Hillary Rodham Clinton has truly earned her F- rating. Her record of cosponsoring anti-gun initiatives reads like a Sarah Brady wish list.
Anti-gun Bills Hillary Clinton Cosponsored: Congress:
S. 368: Massively expand federal funding and control of local law enforcement. 110th
S. 456: Treat firearms offenses as though they were Mafia or gang-releated crimes. 110th
S. 527: Redefine more handgun ammunition as "armor piercing". 109th
S. 578: FBI to maintain gun sales records of persons on "watch lists" for 10 years. 109th
S. 620: Reinstate the expired ban on semi-automatic firearms and magazines. 109th
S. 645: Semi-auto ban plus a ban on some youth sportshooting competitions. 109th
S. 935: Fifty-caliber ban. 109th
S. 22: Omnibus gun control: gun show ban, lifetime juvenile offender ban, FBI record-keeping, much more. 108th
S. 448: Huge bill including a magazine ban, gun show ban, mandatory trigger locks, one-handgun-a-month, etc. 108th
S. 1034: Semi-auto ban reauthorization. 108th
S. 1431: Vastly expanded semi-auto ban reauthorization (more guns banned plus other anti-gun provisions). 108th
S. 1774: Permanently ban polymer-framed (so-called "plastic") firearms. 108th
S. 1807: Gun show ban. 108th
S. 1882: FBI to maintain gun sales records of persons on "watch lists". 108th
S. 1983: National ballistic registry of all new fireams, plus increased BATF power and funding. 108th
S. 2109: Ten-year extension of the semi-auto ban then in effect. 108th
S. 16: "Crime bill" including: gun show ban, lifetime juvenile offender ban, FBI record-keeping, much more. 107th
S. 767: Gun show ban. 107th
S. 924: Expand federal police power, specifically the federal government's role in "firearms-related incidents." 107th
S. 940: Gun show ban included in a large education bill. 107th
S. 1253: Register lawful gun buyers for a minimum of 90 days. 107th
S. 1788: Audit background check information; make it available for both Barack Obama on Gun Control
February 12th, 2007 by Syd
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If the Democrats have “gotten the message” on gun control, why is this guy their new “rock star”?
Senator Barak H. Obama, Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator
Position: Keep guns out of inner cities — but inner city violence is also a problem of morality:
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.” Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:
While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating “lawful” gun owners. “I’m a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I’m a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family,” Obama said. “It’s hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic.” Source: Radio Iowa
Positions on Gun Control:
Ban semi-automatics, and impose more restrictions on other types of firearms possession; Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons;
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms;
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
On the issue of prohibiting citizens from carrying concealed weapons, Obama said he believes national legislation should be passed to “prevent other states’ laws [allowing citizens to conceal their guns] from threatening the safety of Illinois residents.” Source
“I believe we need to renew–not roll back — this common sense gun law,” [The Clinton “Assault Weapons” Ban] Source
Proposes several gun-control laws, including restricting purchases of weapons and ammunition at gun shows, establishing a national database that would capture and record imprints left by bullets, and making gun locks mandatory. Source
Obama said concealed weapons should be allowed for retired police officers and some military personnel.
“Ordinary citizens should not be allowed to own military assault weapons, such as AK-47s and Uzis.” Source
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005 Source
“This seems to be a man [Obama] who is absolutely determined to make the world safe for criminals while making sure that law-abiding citizens have no opportunity to defend themselves.” — Alan Keyes. Source
Commenting on the VT massacre, Obama said:
“(Cho) had a semiautomatic weapon with a clip that allowed him to take 19 shots in a row,” Obama said. “I don’t know any self-respecting hunter that needs 19 rounds of anything. The only reason you have 19 rounds is potentially to do physical harm to people. You don’t shoot 19 rounds at a deer. And if you do, you shouldn’t be hunting.” Source
Uh, dude, it’s not about hunting. Maybe it’s about being able to defend yourself from maniacs?
Barak Obama’s Voting Record on Gun Control
This page on Gunlaw News includes quotes, voting record and more links to additional resources.
In another place:
Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic “assault weapons” and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.
He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.
Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.
Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law. Source
Barak Obama served on the board of the notoriously anti-civil right Joyce Foundation. Source. The Joyce Foundation is the funding source for astroturf anti-gun organizations such at The Gun Guys and The Freedom States Alliance.
On the Washington D.C. handgun ban, Obama said that he:
“…believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives.” Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional. Source
Mr. Obama says he’s, “…in it to transform the country.” No thanks, Barak. Think I’ll pass. Your kind of changes I can live without. |
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:34 pm |
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Demeralda
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I just can't understand why anyone would believe that any president will even touch gun laws. It's so far off the radar.
Again, the same technique: prey on fear and loathing in the populace. I notice people never fail to rise to the occasion. |
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:49 pm |
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| Hillary and Baracks record speaks for itself. As well as Chuck Schumer. Ted Kennedy, Diane feinstein, Nan Pelosi just to mention a few. I agree I cant understand their reasoning for wanting to disarm America but than of course as Hillary once stated "you cant control an armed populace." By the way are you saying that either of these candidates will not stay true to their core values if given the opportunity? If you cant judge their past voting records and statements what the hell do you use as the reason for supporting them? Flip Flop Flip Flop. They both may try to hide the fact that they are socialist liberals but anyone who has followed their past actions knows whats up. Also I dont believe that just any president will attempt to impose restrictive gunlaws just those whose record supports the idea. |
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:13 pm |
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ha ha ha ha....the way y'all "repubs" toss around the name "socialists"
is funny....theres no way (ala demeralda) a president will confiscate
every gun in america. there is, as demeralda stated the feeling of fear i've
seen in most every election i've lived through...i guess with all thats
happening in this world, i just can't get that excited about it.
the red menace
willie lynch
the evil empire
quotas
terrorists
illegal immigrants
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:02 pm |
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[quote]....theres no way (ala demeralda) a president will confiscate
every gun in america.
Not every gun, just those that are easy to track thanks to registration schemes that Hillary and Barako constantly vote for and support. Hey LT if those two arent socialists what are they? I find it very amusing that supporters of those two want everyone to overlook their past actions ya know like you honest gunowners dont sweat it cause they were not really serious when they cast all those antigun votes. By the way if Hillarys old man Slick and the worst Attorney general in history Janet Reno would have put some effort into actually prosecuting gun crimes instead of burning kids alive at Waco or taking their marching orders from Sarah Brady and her crew their might be fewer felons running around commiting gun crimes. Who knows even maybe a couple less in Flint.  |
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:07 am |
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Demeralda
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| TWOTAP!! OMG, you just hit on the one thing that makes me hate democrats more than anything: Waco. Good eye! |
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:14 am |
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i hear ya 2tap although i restrain from using "identity" terms like
socialists, democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals, etc. i think
those dividers are determined by media, and i don't trust media.
by the way, i do think waco and the other incident with randy somebody
who was attacked was uncalled for.  |
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:14 pm |
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That would be Randy Weaver. "Uncalled for" is a very polite way of putting it. Ya know if one just thinks back and examines all the goings on while Bubba and Hillary along with the bunch of misfits they brought along with them were in charge ya gotta wonder what the big fascination is with putting them back in the whitehouse?
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:31 pm |
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Demeralda
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Waco in particular I think is one of the most disgraceful events in American history. Here you have people exercising their right to freedom of religion, and what happens? They get branded as a cult and burned alive. The government lies about it. The hearings are whitewashed. Then people forget. Well, everyone except Timothy McVeigh, I guess.
What was such an eye opener about this to me, and truly it changed my whole world perspective, is that the people I admired (and don't mock me, yes, Charles Schumer, among other democrats) betrayed their principles the *second* it was THEIR president and party under attack. Republicans do this too, of course, but I never realized how little their professed beliefs mean when faced with a possible diminishment of power.
Shame on all of them. |
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