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Southside E
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I've seen the many calls for a casino in Flint-- to be built on the old Buick City site. But there are many roadblocks to such an undertaking. Many would protest due to the negative effects of gambling, the threat of a criminal element, prostitution, etc... There is also the problem of getting waivers due to the proximity to casinos in Detroit and Mt Pleasant.
I think we should explore the possibility of a prison complex to be built on the site. A large complex would employ a good number of people from the initial construction, to the operation, and the ongoing maintenance and supply of the facility. Last.. and far from least, the revenue generated from housing prisoners from other locations without sufficient facilities would be a sure and steady income.
Ask yourself: How many times have I heard that prisoners were being released early due to overcrowding? It's happening here-- and it's happening all over the country. Why not use this parcel of land for the benefit of society? Couldn't we use some additional revenue for worthy causes here in Flint? And what of business opportunities? Would they need food, office supplies, ....all the way down to toilet paper? I'm sure local suppliers would be pleased at the chance.
Is there a down side?-- I don't think so-- a well constructed facility poses no threat to the surrounding area. The thought of being known as a prison city? Ask Jackson or Ionia if they would rather do without the benefits of their facilities. It's time for some new ideas-- we need to stop daydreaming about the casino jackpot and get busy with reality. |
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Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:20 pm |
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Ted Jankowski
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I've seen the many calls for a casino in Flint-- to be built on the old Buick City site. But there are many roadblocks to such an undertaking.
Since the Citizens of Flint already approved it. The only real road block to it would be UofM Flint.
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I think we should explore the possibility of a prison complex to be built on the site.
The only real road block to it would be UofM Flint.
See any similarity?
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Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:42 pm |
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with Flint's reputation and performance on the crime lists, why not just put the wall around the city...
kind of like Kurt Russell as Snake Pliskin and "Escape from New York" only its Flint and there are no big bridges or Empire State Buildings, or Ernest Borgnine driving yellow cabs.
Don't worry, we'd move all the innocent people out of the city into Flint Township, Burton and Clio [hell they're migrating out already] before we wall the whole thing off.
Mayor Don would stay however, as the King of Flint, changing his name to Mr Big. He'd rule the prison, bringing his own law of survival to Flint City Prison. And hey, he'd finally have a chance to open up that city [now prison] factory he's been promising.
license plates anyone?
it'd be a hell of lot easier to do than walling off Kansas as Mama bear suggested we do. And most of the criminals would already be in place!
[now trying to remove tongue firmly planted in cheek]
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Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:57 pm |
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Ted is there anything that can be done?No Toyota, No prison, No casino ,you got any bright ideas to bring some work here? Oh let me guess fire the mayor /well that's no secret fight crime OK good idea. In the mean time can we do something to get hope 0n another level. Come on buddy. I know you don't have a sunshine pump. Man its almost not worth taking the time to post. I said almost
People need projects and hope not despair and gloom. if a prison couldn't go at the old Buick site how about in a outlying area? say on the location of one of the parks or closed schools maybe flushing or mm the economic effect would roughly be the same. how about 475 and coldwater i think that old plants closed.lots of land there i think building a prison is a great idea?
JOBS WANTED... AND PUT CRY BABY TED IN IT. |
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Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:23 pm |
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Ted Jankowski
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No one is talking about despair! No one is saying any of that cannot be done! Only if your going to attempt a project, attempt to Bring in Jobs, attempt to build a prison, attempt to do anything. Pie in the Sky ideas aren't going to work. Unless your willing to face reality and be willing to make some hard decisions. Make some drastic changes.
And whining about someone wanting to discuss the obstacles your going to face. In order to find solutions. Isn't going to help your cause! Flint is the poster child for making people rich off other peoples misery. All in the name of compassion and government handouts!
Let's see. Say we are at war, and were a Marine Corps Division. We are going to win the War. First thing we do is set a Goal! We’re first going to take the city closest to the Border. How do we do it? Just line up the troops and tell them to march forward into the town? NO! We first do some recognizance. Identify were the enemy is and where their strong and weak points are. We prepare the troops and train/practice the invasion before we ever hit the ground! We then load up with more Ammunition that we think we actually need. We make sure we have enough support (beans, band aids and bullets). Formulate a plan. Then Execute it!
Too may people seem to have some great ideas. All of which I’m all for. Building a prison in Flint is a pretty good idea. Trying to get Toyota to come here is a great idea. But your ideas stop dead, because you can’t get past the idea. You have no Plan! You don’t even want to know what problems you need to overcome, because in all honesty. Your just plain talking and acting out your ass and don’t really believe what your doing is going to accomplish anything. Because you fail to plan. If you planned more than just an idea, then you’d have to actually hold yourself accountable for what your doing. You’d have to take responsibility for it failing. Without a plan, you can always make yourself feel good about doing something , all the while, accomplishing nothing! After all you had great intentions. Anyone pointing out the problems your going to face and asking you to provide any substantial or legitimate solutions to those problems is being negative. After all, your doing something! It may be only chasing your tail. But at least your positive about not accomplishing anything!
Your complete lack of Planning, refusal to even discuss the problems you are going to run into and work out solutions. Proves you have no real desire or commitment to the solution. Because the best plan you have, is a plan to fail.
Simple Plan. But it’s one I know will work! Why? Because, it’s been done before! Where? Right here in Flint!
1st, open the City Jail! Lobby congress (state and federal) to build a new jail and fund it’s operation. This is so Police can arrest and the justice system prosecute criminals instead of handing them out multiple appearance tickets and warrants for their arrest.
2nd, Strengthen schools. Having local church groups volunteering to be in schools to help identify and work with problem children and families. More community involvement with the support of the City leaders and School system will help. Especially, if at risk kids are identified and someone is willing to be there to help guide them.
3rd, Jobs! Fix 1 and 2 this equals 3!
With Low Crime and better education this will result in better jobs! With better jobs comes lower poverty!
This isn’t college math! It isn’t rocket science! Lower crime and better education will create jobs and lower poverty. |
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:07 am |
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John Wilson
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There is a lot of open property (ex plant locations) in Flint, and frankly, I'd like to see the City put out an international contest to create the most usable space possible. Flint is well known all over the world.
Local minds haven't been able to do anything good. Saving Buick HQ would have been nice and turned into a community center or a North end police post to help fight some of the crime that plagues that area.
Shame, shame shame. |
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:35 am |
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Ted Jankowski
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Here again, I thought that when Fisher Body closed on S. Saginaw. I thought that this could have been turned into a Outlet center. Easy access off the expressway. Plenty of Parking. Just needed to clean up some of the bars on the other side of the street.
instead of Autoworld I thought they could have brought in an aquarium like Shed in Chicago. There was plenty of room there for one. Plenty of opportunity for federal grants, and UofM to be able to house a oceanography department. Just more of my silly ideas. |
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:29 am |
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John Wilson
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Here again, I thought that when Fisher Body closed on S. Saginaw. I thought that this could have been turned into a Outlet center. Easy access off the expressway. Plenty of Parking. instead of Autoworld I thought they could have brought in an aquarium like Shed in Chicago. UofM to be able to house a oceanography department. Just more of my silly ideas.
Ideas are not bad or silly. Ideas are harmless. Autoworlds were never good ideas but they were even worse realizations!
An outlet center isn't a bad idea. But they can't build outlets that close to retail outfits (malls). That's why they stick them way out of the way.
An aquarium in Flint? That's like putting Sea World in Iowa. LOL
Without GM, Flint is just another "generic" city with no image or brand. So the new people running it have to come up with something.
I have a good idea of my own which I cannot share publicly but have already taken the first few steps at making it a reality.
So has New Line Cinema. |
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:38 am |
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The only reason I see that the jail isn't open is. If it were open, the DON wouldn't be able to hire as much staff as he has. Also, all these additional officers he has hired to Chase after political opponents.
Had he hired 20 some jail staff instead of twenty some officers. And some new Park security. We would actually be able to get criminals off the street. Instead, the Mayor plays off the lie that more officers means less crime. Thus he can keep hiring more with the peoples praise, then not use them to lower crime.
Nifty isn’t' it.
I'd have to ask Rick the actual reason. But it bois down t not being a state certified jail. We cannot sentence people to the City Jail. As it is only a holding facility.
Here's the thing that kills me. The Mayor, the Council, the Chief and even the officers KNOW! That without the jail open. They have arrested (i mean given out PFI's, appearance tickets, etc) to the same criminal sometimes twice in the same shift! Where had they had a jail to put them in. They would have at the very least been taken off the street.
We pick the same criminal up twice in the same night! and we wonder why Flint has a CRIME problem? That doesn't take a degree to figure that one out. |
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:56 am |
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Adam
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I think it costs a couple million a year at least to run the jail. If we had 100 prisoners a year the cost should be about $2,500,000 million a year. The mayor had suggested we use some of the reneue from the impound lot for this. Perhaps next year for his campaign he might re-open the jail. In theory if you take 1,000 people's cars a year at $3,000 per car that would be $3,000,000 in profit but the city might be having trouble taking people's cars from them. In other words the mayor might actually be having trouble using the impound lot as a legal car theft ring.
I heard in the past someone hung themselves in the city jail. In addition although people don't want to have to give prisoners decent conditions if people start dying while in prison that is a huge liability. Just to operate the jail may only cost a few million but add some lawsuits and settlements and you might be looking at another million.
If we wanted to I'm sure we could fill up the county jail, city jail and another city jail with non-violent drug offenders. I think we shouild focus more on war on murders, assaults, and thefts. The war on drugs is almost impossible to win. We have more people in jails for drug crimes per capita than any other country in the world yet it is very easy to buy illegal drugs in Flint, Genesee county etc. With little or no jobs available most people that we send to jail for drugs will probably go back to selling drugs when they get out. |
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Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:52 pm |
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John Wilson
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Here is my idea on solving the crime problem in Flint, Michigan, the #3 most violent crime city in the world's most powerful country. Sigh. Just saying that almost brings me to tears.
Fighting violent crime is a noble cause, but attacking its roots is better. Get the drug dealers out of town, and you'll find the rest of the crime goes with it.
In NYC they attacked each and every little crime they could find. It's called "broken windows" theory of crime management. You just make it such a hassle for the dealers to do business they go somewhere else. This concept works. Also, a computer program called "COMPSTAT" identifies hotspots and tells the police where to go. It keeps the criminals on the run.
For instance, when in NYC they said "no more fare jumpers" and started arresting everybody who did that, the subway muggings, graffiti, and everything else went out the door. One thing leads to another.
The thing with Flint crime is that the police are not being managed effectively and they have few resources from which to launch a counter attack.
A plan I'm hoping takes hold is to declare Flint a national crime hotspot and call the National Guard in and have them park their business on the hotspots.
I'm no fan of a police state or overuse of police force, but WE'RE AT WAR HERE. We need to kick the criminals out (they are few actually, compared to good law abiding citizens) so my guess is that he National Guard would be welcome in the hotspots. Business owners and shoppers would be like "well, I don't like seeing guys with M16s all over but at least people are shopping again!"
It's not the first time the State would be called in to help Flint, but hopefully the last.
Any comments or thoughts on my National Guard idea?
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Biggie9
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wasn't the mayor's felony conviction many decades ago associated with stolen autos or auto parts?
Maybe he's gone full cirlce, and 50 years later, found a legal way to do what he did so many years ago.
as far as an outlet mall, I can't see it being viable with Great Lakes Crossing and Birch Run being 30 minutes in either direction....
using old industrial properties is dicey for the new companies because there are usually environmental issues with waste materials from the previous operators. Liability is can be risky and costly and it tends to be difficult to quantify up front before many $$ are committed. So its easier to go in and develop fresh property versus remediation. |
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