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El Supremo

East Village Magazine

CCNA residents, on edge after crimes, meet to consider options, deterrence
HomeLocal NewsCCNA residents, on edge after crimes, meet to consider options, deterrence
Posted on Aug 22, 2017
By Kim Owens
Faced with a roomful of more than 50 College Cultural Neighborhood residents on edge after a spate of recent crimes, Flint Police Chief Tim Johnson attempted to offer reassurance at an Aug. 17 meeting of the College Cultural Neighborhood Association (CCNA) neighborhood watch group.
Were in a battle, were on the battle field, but were not losing the war, Johnson said. Noting that crime stats are down and arrests are up 87 percent, he added, And were not losing the battle.

Police Chief Timothy Johnson
Despite his comments, residents expressed fear, anger and frustration regarding the recent criminal activity, especially a series of drive-by shootings that had affected several residents in attendance. When residents voiced complaints about response times, the chief cited characteristics of the 9-1-1 system as an explanation, offered his personal cell phone number, and told residents to use it.
The meeting, held in Mott Community Colleges RTC auditorium, was a regular gathering of the CCNAs watch group, but was beefed up this month specifically to hear from some outside experts and to consider deterrents to crime.
Neighborhood watch chairperson Mike Herriman introduced presentations from Julie Lopez, program director of Crime Stoppers of Flint and Genesee County; D.M. Burr, a local security company; and Emanuel Taylor, a crime analyst from Wayne State currently embedded with the Flint Police Department. The group also heard from Seventh Ward Councilwoman Monica Galloway, who had invited and introduced the police chief.
Crime Stoppers: an anonymous option
Lopez, a horticulturalist for 25 years in Livingston County, said she became involved with Crime Stoppers in July, 2011 after her father-in-law was murdered in his home on Flints east side.
She eventually got a job with the Flint chapter of Crime Stoppers. Crime Stoppers hosts a number, 1-800-422-JAIL, where anyone who has information on an unsolved crime or something that might be happening can make an anonymous call. The tip will then be reported to the police and the caller receives a tip number, which is also anonymous. If the tip leads to an arrest, the caller can get a reward. The amount depends on the nature of the crime.
Lopez stressed Crime Stoppers tipsters cannot be subpoenaed and any information that is accidentally given that could lead to identification is removed before the tip is passed on to the police. Recently, she said, a Crime Stoppers tip led to the arrest and conviction of a self-proclaimed gang leader who was charged with, among other things, human trafficking and drug dealing.
Crime Stoppers recently received a grant from the Ruth Mott Foundation. The grant covers northeast Flint (Interstate 475 to Robert T. Longway to Carpenter Road to North Center Road). The main focus of the grant will be education on crime prevention and solving unsolved crimes. Lopez said the grant was designed to build the trust between the police department and the community. Many community members fear calling the police because of retaliation, she said, adding Crime Stoppers can help generate those necessary tips police officers need to prevent and solve crimes because of the anonymity they provide.
Response time lag? Call the Chiefs cell phone
Asked about response times, Chief Johnson explained calls now go through the 9-1-1 call center.
If they dont dispatch you a police officer, then you wont get one, he said. Calls used to go through the police department, he explained, but one of the emergency managers placed Flint with the county-wide 9-1-1 system, meaning wait times depend on whats going on in the city at the time of the crime. He urged residents to call him on his personal cell phone (810-515-6184) if they feel they cannot wait for a police car to arrive.
Johnson stated the city currently has 110 police officers. Of those, eight are assigned to the Crime Area Target Team, which targets high profile crimes like homicides and drug dealing and is charged with finding suspects as quickly as possible and solving those crimes.
Two other officers are assigned out county trying to stop the crimes before they get to Flint.
Chief Johnson said he initially got backlash for reassigning those ten officers, but said the choice is paying off. Crime stats are down, the arrest rate is up 87 percent, and Johnson said the commander of the state police told him he pulled state troopers out of Flint six months ago because of the work being done by the Flint police officers.
State Senator Jim Ananich, attending as a CCN resident, later questioned Johnsons claim, saying he was told Flint still has 45 state officers patrolling Flint and would clarify this with the chief.
CCNA considering private security
Herriman next noted the CCNA is looking at the private security service D.M. Burr as an add-on to what the neighborhood has, not as a replacement of what it already does. The additional prosecutions taking place in Flint are, in part, because more people are stepping up and submitting information to the police department, Herriman said. D.M. Burr would not be used as a police agency but rather as another tool to get additional information to the police, he said.
D.M. Burr CEO John Allen and Director of Security Jim Lincoln noted they have 200 security officers and are a Flint company. They have both armed and unarmed officers. They started patrolling the Woodcroft neighborhood five years ago when residents got tired of 9-1-1 not responding to calls. In that five years, crime in the Woodcroft estate area has gone down by about 75-80 percent, Allen said. Am I going to take complete credit for that? No. I think there is a better awareness in that community, but I also think that we are there as a deterrent and a deterrent only.
How do they act as a deterrent? He said D.M. Burr tries to assign the same officers to a community so they get to know the residents well. While patrolling, they stop and talk to neighbors, building a relationship of trust among residents and officers. Their officers also have no problem confronting strangers in the area, asking if they need assistance. D.M. Burr provides signs to post in yards and they offer vacation checks.
Residents had a number of questions, most importantly about cost and services provided. Allen noted Woodcroft has roughly 250 homes with about 80-100 participating in the program at $500 a year per home. This provides for roughly 50-60 hours a week of patrolling.
However, he also noted that costs and services provided would largely depend on what residents are looking for. An armed security officer would cost more than an unarmed officer, for example. The CCNA neighborhood is also larger, with one resident noting it has about 1200 homes. Allen noted that if an entire area of the neighborhood does not participate in the program, that area would not be patrolled. The neighborhood would need at least 25 homes to participate but the more who join, the more patrolling D.M. Burr would provide.

Entrance to Woodlawn Park in the CCNA
While D.M. Burr wont tell residents the exact times of patrols for security reasons, they do establish patterns of criminal activity, either through the police department or the neighborhood watch group, and plan accordingly. They have both marked and unmarked cars equipped with GPS; marked cars look like police cruiser, another deterrent for criminal activity. Employees are bonded, insured and go through extensive training and background checks. D.M. Burr would work with the current neighborhood watch and would report to them of any suspicious or criminal activity. They do not have the power to arrest unless a felony is committed in their presence, the same power any citizen has.
Herriman passed around a sign-up sheet for those interested and promised to call a future meeting to discuss the matter.
CompStat offers info on crime patterns
Emanuel Taylor, a crime analyst from Wayne State University currently embedded in the Flint Police Department, was next on the agenda. He is in Flint on a grant from the Ruth Mott Foundation and running CompStat (computer statistic) meetings in Wards 1-6. Essentially, he said, he goes through police reports and live crime maps to detect patterns of criminal activity, thus using data to fight crime.
The data he uses comes from police reports, which means some of the crimes might not make it into his statistical analysis if he is not aware of it. While Wards 7-9 are not part of his grant, this just means he cannot hold CompStat meetings for those wards. However, he urged residents to email him with any criminal activity they know of at etwaynestate@gmail.com.
Bus stop moved to reduce loitering
In other business, Herriman noted the bus stop has been moved from the Golden Spot convenience store one block west, significantly cutting down the number of individuals hanging out. Furthermore, the owner of the store put up No Trespassing signs, giving residents justification to call police if they see people just hanging out. Herriman noted to say they were trespassing, not loitering, as trespassing is a more serious offense. The sign gives police the right to question them.
As the two-hour meeting concluded, CCNA president Mike Keeler tried putting on a positive spin.
Very few neighborhoods would call a meeting like this and have 50 people show up, he said. We have a great neighborhood. We all know that. Crime is happening all over the county but the thing we got going more than, I think, other communities is that we are connected and we care about one another. Thats the big focus for our neighborhood. Weve got people out there patrolling every night and I doubt youre going to find that in any other community.
EVM staff writer Kim Owens can be reached at kim.owens@mcc.edu.
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Chief's response to possible hiring oF D M Burr as private Security for the college cultural area must have been priceless. He and his wife own Hi Tech security. Hi Tech was, or is, patrolling Regency and the crime rate stays high.
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Read Flint Police Operations and Genesee County Scanners. Also Criminals of Flint and some neighborhood sites and you will see the Chief is full of BS. Too many stories of police not taking reports and leaving residents baffled. Mott Park, East side are all the same story. Residents stop calling in because they get blown off.
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Commentary: Is privatizing public services a trustworthy choice for Flint?
HomeCommentaryCommentary: Is privatizing public services a trustworthy choice for Flint?
Posted on Aug 29, 2017
By Paul Rozycki
During a recent East Village Crime Watch meeting, a major issue was the possibility of hiring D.M. Burr to provide private security for our neighborhood, in addition to the Flint Police Department, Mott Community College, and the East Village Neighborhood Watch. As Kim Owens reported in her recent EVM article, the company gave a presentation on the nature of their services at the meeting. Signing up with D.M. Burr may or may not be a good idea, but the mere suggestion that we should hire a private police force underscores a debate that has infused state and local (and national) government for the last 30 years or more.
The idea that some traditional governmental services should be delivered by private, for profit organizations had its most recent growth in the early Reagan administration, though there are examples in earlier American history and others that go back to medieval and ancient times. The debate over what government should do and shouldnt do is as old as government itself, and the choices can be as complex as any modern government.
Advantages of privatization:

In general the strongest advocates for privatizing government services have come from the conservative side who feel that the government that governs best is the government that governs least. Those who favor having private companies provide traditional government services offer several arguments to support their claims.
Lower costs and lower taxes: Privatizing public service allows market competition to lower the costs as it would in the traditional free market business world, giving taxpayers more for their money. This is particularly appealing in a time when state and local governments are hard pressed to raise enough revenue to provide the most basic services.
Greater efficiency: Some argue that private organizations can react more quickly to meet changing conditions and can be more flexible than a large government bureaucracy.
Lack of political influence: Where there is a tradition of political corruption and influence, bringing in a non-political outside firm can be a way of avoiding bribery and corruption.
Specialized skills: In cases where specialized skills are needed, contracting with a private company may be the only way a government can have access to specialized skills and technologies.
Disadvantages of privatization:

Those who oppose having non-governmental organizations take over traditional activities also offer reasons why governments should avoid privatization and why existing government organizations are better suited to provide basic services to its citizens.
Decline in the quality of services: Since the private corporation is geared to make a profit for its stockholders its likely that the quality of service will decline. Unlike the products of a corporation government programs cant always be measured on a profit and loss chart.
Distortion of services: Some government services are not designed to be profit-making and doing so will distort those services. A common example is the increased use of private companies to run prisons and jails. They make more money if the cells are full. A criminal justice system should be concerned with justice, not filling as many jail cells as possible.
Corruption: Corruption is just as possible in a privatized system, when well connected politicians can direct contracts to their friends and supporters.
Breaking public unions: Very often the major saving that arise from privatizing comes from moving employees out of unions (and union wages) to lower wages.
To be sure, the devil is in the details. Well written and well enforced contracts for some services can be an advantage to the public and taxpayers. And in many cases privatization has worked out well, but all too often shifting government duties to the private sector saved little money, delivered poor services, and hurt the very people they were supposed to help.
In Flint, recent events can offer support for both sides of the argument. On one hand, the Rizzo/Republic trash conflict and the scandal surrounding it, certainly raises doubts about the wisdom of privatization. Yet, on the other hand, the Flints water crisis was triggered by governmental employees, and some of those who played the biggest role in exposing it were outside of the traditional governmental organizations that deal with water.
What services should be privatized?

The list of governmental activities that have been turned over to private corporations or businesses is long and complex. Some activities are rarely a government function, such as light and power companies. (Though Holland Michigan is considering developing a city sponsored broadband service.) Others are more diverse, where sometimes they are governmentally run, other times not, such as garbage collection.
Recently, with the growth of charter schools, many private companies have entered the K-12 education field. Many specialized services have been privatized in schools; buses, school lunches, medical testing, janitorial services, and sometimes substitute teaching. Some state and local governments have privatized highways and parking meters. Some cities have privatized the operation and maintenance of their parks. New Yorks Central Park is one example. Some states have privatized public airports, animal shelters, lotteries, parking garages, emergency call centers and child welfare programs.
The list is long and complex and there are many private/public partnerships that combine both government and private interests. On the national level many non-combat functions in the military have been privatized, such as supplying food, transportation, and embassy security. Recently there was a proposal to have a private army take over the fighting in Afghanistan. So far, that idea seems to have been discarded.
On the state and local level, certainly one of the most troubling privatization areas has been in the area of criminal justice. Michigan has had several major scandals with private companies providing food in prisons, leading to a series of lawsuits.
When it comes to police protection, privatization raised particular concerns. Only fully authorized police officers have the full power to arrest citizens. (There is a limited power where a citizens arrest can take place, typically only when a major crime takes place in the presence of the person making the arrest. There are also significant legal risks for a citizen in those circumstances.)
Should East Court/East Village hire private security?

We all know that private police or security personnel are used in many circumstances. Shopping malls have their own mall cops as do some stores, schools, and factories. But as discussed in the recent College Cultural Neighborhood Crime Watch meeting (see Kim Owens EMV article for more detail) should the East Court/East Village neighborhood consider hiring D.M. Burr to provide additional security for us? Their service would cost about $500 a year for each home that chose to participate. As the number of participants increased the hours of protection provided would increase. But D.M. Burr is not a police agency and does not have the power to arrest that a police officer does. (Only the limited citizens arrest.) Currently the Woodcroft neighborhood in the Miller Road area uses Burr for added security and they have seen a decrease in crime.
As the issue is discussed there are several questions we need to answer for ourselves.
Will the services be worth and extra $500 per house, when we have the city police, Mott police and our Crime Watch?
Would the hours that Burr patrolled be enough to make a difference?
Would that same amount of money (in taxes) be better spent to hire more Flint officers?
Would Mott Community College be willing to increase their patrols with a similar amount of money?
Are the Woodcroft residents satisfied with the service they have received? Could we expect the same kind of service?
Would enough of us sign up to make it worthwhile?
The proposed contract with D.M. Burr is available for examination. Its a six page document that lays out the responsibilities of the company, the costs to residents, and the nature of the security protection it offers the College and Cultural Neighborhood. We should examine it both in terms of what it includes and what it doesnt. Its an important decision for our neighborhood and deserves a critical review.
EVM political commentator Paul Rozycki can be reached at paul.rozycki@mcc.edu.
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