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Dave Starr
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| Plus, at the very least, there is a moral obligation to help someone in need. |
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Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:40 am |
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BAH836
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quote:
Flinn's Journal schreef:
I have reported 1pissedoffguy to the administrators of this board.
For what? |
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:01 pm |
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Dave Starr
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| Probably for disagreeing with him. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:10 pm |
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BAH836
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quote:
Dave Starr schreef:
Probably for disagreeing with him.
Pretty weak if that is the case.
EDIT: I was looking for a response from Flinn, but I believe you're right Dave. |
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:25 pm |
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josismoct
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FYI. This forum took down my revelations about leyton, off the main board. You think Leyton complained or was it Flinn? But why would these guys at this forum care? Someone did something. Why? Every single detail written IS based on public records of FACT. Leyton is bad news.
Just so you know, I'll tell you how I found out. I am getting my maters degree in social work. My research thesis is about the growing concerns of elder abuse nation wide. However after reading about the info in the Journal, i decided to get more information about cases locally. What I put in those blogs is what I found! it's staggering truth of hypocrisy and neglect in my opinion, and shows how vulnerable older adults truely are.
I think voters SHOULD know about this. Leyton is on the news, in the news all the time. He's bad for Flint, and bad to his family. I don't want to even go into the father in law getting attacked by the dog and the doctor reports from that...really people go read this for yourself! |
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:46 am |
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1pissedoffguy
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I have been posting here for sometime and that isn't a posting has been taken down. Myers , who runs this forum , probably thought it was getting out of hand. I think, if you ask him josismoct he can post your posting and lock it so other people won't chime in and make it more heated. but I think you will have to make that as a special request. Gary Flinn is a lifelong friend of Leyton's , he appeared on flinttalkradio during the time the campaigns for the Attorney General's slot was still up for grabs. He is also a writer (not a bad book actually either) REMEMBERING FLINT , I read it at a friend's house. I don't think I did anything which really deserves an apology for . I , perhaps, was like a kid challenging him but ,as anyone can tell you ( BAH comes to mind) I have been much more offensive and others typically dish it right back at me. So, not to Gary Flinn, but to others, if I offended you people I am sorry. I look back at some of my postings from the past and I see that I could had been more effective without being so insulting. But in this case, I thought I was being much more mild mannered. I am damn near 62 and I never thought I would mellow but blasting people here on Flint Talk has shown me that it doesn't have to be always so bombastic .
I still oppose David Leyton, more so if those allegations of elderly abuse are shown to have merit. I am not gaga for Schuette either, I voted for the law we have now have concerning Medical Marijuana . I watched the flinttalkradio shows ( which are also up on Youtube too) about Debby McIntosh and her husband outlining how Leyton flat out lied to them and it pissed me off. If Leyton was such a seasoned Prosecutor he would, at the time of him telling the McIntosh's that he would prosecute , that he didn't actually have enough to go with at that time. So he lied, he bald faced lied. I find it appalling he did that. (I also find it appalling that during a police interrogation we can't lie to the cops but they can lie to us, but that's another story. ) I urge anyone who is a lawyer, who has some supporters, to run against Leyton in the next attempt he makes to retain his office as Prosecuting Attorney .That county needs a vigorous, intelligent and HONEST Prosecutor. Things won't change until different people are in power. And the next Prosecuting Attorney of Genesee County has to have integrity that I think Leyton lacks.
I often wonder, late at night, why I even care about that county. I only spend part time there now. Loyalty is a strange concept isn't it? |
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:06 pm |
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Dave Starr
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| I don't know if it's remembering what Flint once was, or what, but there's a lot of loyalty out there. For me, it's home. it's where i grew up, where we raised our children & where we live, and will continue living. We have lived in the Haskell / Civic Park area since 68 & have the best neighbors we've ever had. Not that it matters, but we're the only white folks on the block. None of our neighbors sees color, just people. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:35 am |
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twotap
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When I moved out of Flint in 72 my next door neighbor was an older black fellow who along with his family were great people. If everyone around us would have been like him we would have stayed longer but the 235 homes the government erected across the street were being given to a bunch of subculture lowlife scum and I wasnt staying any longer in fact my neighbor told me you need to cut your losses and get the hell out of here. Good thing we did. Dave I also remember what Flint once was but the fact is those days are long gone never to be seen again.
The typical liberal's life is based on pure fantasy. Reality doesn't fit into their scheme of things. |
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:44 am |
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josismoct
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Dear Mr. 1----guy,
Thank you for your sentiments. But, you have NOTHING to actually apoligize for. Why shouldn't you speak your opinions? Of course, you should.
I think you hit the nail staright on the head about Flinn being paid by Leyton due to the crazy mad response you got from Flinn.
I think they are more than close freinds. i "think" you are 100% correct that Leyton pays Flinn specifically. this would be a job, it is, more than a casula hobby... for Flinn's monitoring of this blog, then fowarding emails to Leyton re: activity and topic, and mindset etc of users.
I'd guess Flinn probably earns about $100 bucks per week to do this monitoring, since before the last election. that's approximately $4,800 per year of income! And I'd guess, Flinn probably does not declare these earnings from the service he provides as income and that leyton doesn't declare as an employee expense on his own personal taxes.
it's more than what you might ordinarily think, and would be a pretty good tax scam, albeit a small one. But small tax scams accumulate into much larger problems when they are on-going and numerous.
The question would be: are the payments for work performed paid in cash, by check from the campiagn or personal funds, direct deposited??? So many questions.
Re: Remembering Flint. I don't remember Flint as ever so wonderful. But what it was, was a land based town that had a unique industry that offered gainful employment to people from all over. it had potential. But it's not a water port, so i'm surprised the auto comapanies 100 years ago actually locate in Bay City or Port Huron. Communities and services built up around the needs of that one industry and it's workers. Spark Plugs, Hospitals, schools, radio stations, bakeries, everything.
But Flint has always had an air of fifedon, feudal lordship of the industry execs and the worker bees. every so often the son of a worker bee makes good writing about it, and overcomes to gain more economical status.
But the real legacy of Flint, the one I learned to RESPECt in elementary school, IS the history of RESEPCT for the worker. I learned about the sit ins, the first worker strikes, the non violent protests, their victory and the rightness of their goals, their victory to help each other through consolidation and unionization, to protect the individual workers. Very noble. This is Flint collective history. I've always held these democratic beliefs close to my heart.
I used to wonder how anyone could grow up in Flint and not be a democrat! I didn't realize until well into my adult hood that most the "democrats" in public pursuit of public office are just ordinary persons who seek attention public attention. it's not so much that they are democrats, especially in Flint. For these folks they'd easily be republicans, wigs, whatever... if that party line got you in...in like Flinn (lol). they are charletons, wannabees, users. You know they are not talented per se at music, art, sports. They are not brilliant economists, scientists, or surgeons. These are politicians who have honed their BS skills, and that's about it. Narscissists who seek glorification and attention and perks and not much else.
Unfortunately, the unions needed union bosses, and from there the unions became tainted with "political" clicks and a forum for personal power plays. it probably feels so thrilling to be an ordinary factory guy now hobnobbing at bargaining tables with the lords...you know what i mean. The unions went too far the other way, so GM pays for viagra, and clocking in to work became optional..and all kinds of abuses, which was not the intent of the sit in.
Those workers from those sit in days, NEEDED and wanted respect for the work they did, to just simply be able to not be abused, not to create a system to be gamed.
So the story of Flint, is a story of good ideas, growing hugely successful and profitable, and workers demanding FAIR treatment, and the excess desires, greed, and sin in the human spirit and condition getting out of porportion, thus creating a bust for all of it. And what we are left with in 2011, is a shell of a city, with residents and suberbs some moving on, some hanging on, some failing and falling through the cracks of a society that simply does not exist in the same way it did.
reality is our freind. we must all see things as they are right now. we can remeber fondly the energy and glee from all the potential that collectively was, but maturity in each of us, lets us compartimentalize our fond feelings, our past hopes and dreaams and balance it with the realities of today. You know once my house was new and didn't need a new roof. 25 years later, the treesa re mature. we have racoons roosting in the eaves, and I need a new roof. Do I was poetically about the glory days of a new home? sure. Will it help me get a new one? NOPE.
People deal with waht it. You'll save yourself a lot of grief! But that doesn't mean there still aren't good that needs to be accomplished. THAT's why people care. It's also part of the collective human condition, and i believe that even if it's a difficult task, good does overcome evil in the human condition and that is why you all care.[/url] |
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:11 am |
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Dave Starr
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My dad worked at Buick before the union came in & was a charter member of the UAW. He told me many stories about what it was like in the plants before the union was formed, and they were not good. By the time he retired in 67, he was upset at what the union had become; union brass acting much like management did in the past, appointing cronies to no work positions, fighting for chronic drunks & malingerers while ignoring legitimate grievances, etc. I saw many of th same things during my 40 years there. Yes, th union was necessary, but their mission has become distorted over the years.
You're right about politicians. They'll use whatever label they feel will get them elected & promise the moon t the voters. Then when they're in office, the ordinary folks are ignored & it's all about them & their cronies. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:50 am |
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twotap
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| Dave I saw the same thing during my 33 years there. |
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:08 pm |
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John Wilson
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twotap schreef:
Dave I saw the same thing during my 33 years there.
I had the distinct pleasure of becoming a friend of a kid when I was in DeMolay whose father , I think is first name was Robert, last name of Murphy ( when you are a teenager older people are called "Mr. or Mrs. so first names were foggy) , who was had been one of the Sit Downers back in 37. He later became president ( I think that was the title) of Local 659 ( Home of the Sit Downers) . He was very good man, a great family man, involved with this community , active in a church, an avid outdoorsman. He gave much to all the people around him. I think of him and a couple of the other men who were involved in the formation of the United Auto Workers. I think they would have been appalled at many of those who came after them. So many other workers , good people, would tell me of their fellow workers who were getting a free ride and they were getting sick of the cronyism that they saw UAW officials engaging in. I never was employed for GM. By the time I got out of high school in 1981 many of the shops were already closing. And it is sad to see how impoverished Flint has become after the exodus of GM. Even though I never worked for GM I would certainly say that it's leaving impacted me in way I can only guess. I have seen the Eastside become a running joke . I have seen businesses that my family patronized for years close up as the owners retired, moved on died.Every time one of those places closed, I felt a part of me had died. I also learned that it was not just one group that was responsible for GM losing market share. It was not just one group that was allowing for the destruction of the fabric of society. I tell people that "everyone else is greedy", not the person addressing this "evil " of course. In the case of Flint everyone was greedy, nobody tried to reign in their demands. It didn't seem that anyone wanted to budge in their expectations. It was the other group, the other class, the other person who was being "unreasonable" . I had many friends in college who grew up in areas outside of Flint. Many of them also worked in the factories of GM but in other states . Many of these people made the observation that even in other GM factories in other states they never seen this "us against them" mentality that seemed to still existed between GM management and the workers in the GM plants . It was in Flint that the UAW was born. Born, from what I was told, out dire need. The battle lines had to be drawn at that time and I understand that had to be done. I am not second guessing why people felt the need to not forget what it was like in the shops before the rise of the UAW. I am just wondering what good it has done for us to keep seeing the world in the terms of those pre-1937 thinking. Perhaps I am not the one to ask this, having not ever been a line worker in a GM plant or a member of the management of GM, but I am going to ask this anyway ( and I know I will be hit from all sides for asking this) but what can be done now to encourage GM in not only staying in this town but also to sink more capital investment into this town ? Have the unions given up enough? Does GM (especially after the tax payer funded bailout) owe it the people here to spend some of those tax payer money here in Flint? |
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