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Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:52 am |
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| That isn't what the article says at all. In fact, it quotes somebody stating that most Democrats support the choice of Biden. The article characterizes Biden as somebody who doesn't mince words, but sometimes drifts from the agenda as set by the top of the ticket. None of this is unusual in Vice-Presidential races. You are trying to equate this to the doubt some cons are having about your soccer mom after her inarticulate rambling interviews. Here's the difference: Joe Biden can explain himself clearly, and understands the issues, even if he sometimes explains them differently that Barack Obama. Try again. |
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Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:08 am |
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| You tweaked your post while I was writing mine. Nobody close to the campaign ever thought having Hillary on the ticket was feasable. As popular and capable as she is, it just isn't a good idea having a former president, especially one as popular within the party as Bill Clinton, that close by while you're trying to run the country. It would be distracting, and you would have three people trying to run things. |
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Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:14 am |
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| The article shows that their may be doubts in the dem party much like your claim of doubts in the Repubs. The fact they have to keep covering for remarks of their VP pick says a lot. I thought the FDR and TVs comment was hilarious. As far as Hillary if Baracko loses this thing you can bet your ass that will be the thing that's pointed to as the reason. |
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:22 am |
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Did you hear soccer mom's comments about Joe Biden yesterday? She mockingly said that she knew all about Joe's record, because she's been hearing all about it since the second grade. She's making fun of Joe's experience while STANDING NEXT TO JOHN MCCAIN, a 72 year-old man with long history of cancer! Don't even try to compare these two. Nobody in the Democratic Party is doubting Joe's intelligence, or ability to clearly and articulatly answer questions. Your article doesn't say what you wished it had. Hey, I just had a thought; I live pretty close to Canada, does that make me qualified to play in the NHL?  |
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Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:35 am |
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Quite possibly you do a pretty good job of skating around your boys record  |
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:54 am |
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If Obama is elected, I hope he serves his entire term. Biden has issues with being owned in a very republican manner by industry, and he had a rather Cheney-like lack of respect for the bill of rights.
As an example from the Cnet article;
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Anti-terror" legislation
The next year, months before the Oklahoma City bombing took place, Biden introduced another bill called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. It previewed the 2001 Patriot Act by allowing secret evidence to be used in prosecutions, expanding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and wiretap laws, creating a new federal crime of "terrorism" that could be invoked based on political beliefs, permitting the U.S. military to be used in civilian law enforcement, and allowing permanent detection of non-U.S. citizens without judicial review. The Center for National Security Studies said the bill would erode "constitutional and statutory due process protections" and would "authorize the Justice Department to pick and choose crimes to investigate and prosecute based on political beliefs and associations."
Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill," he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as "the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism."
Biden's chronology is not accurate: the bombing took place in April 1995 and his bill had been introduced in February 1995. But it's true that Biden's proposal probably helped to lay the groundwork for the Bush administration's Patriot Act.
In 1996, Biden voted to keep intact an ostensibly anti-illegal immigration bill that outlined what the Real ID Act would become almost a decade later. The bill would create a national worker identification registry; Biden voted to kill an Abraham-Feingold amendment that would have replaced the registry with stronger enforcement. According to an analysis by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, the underlying bill would have required "states to place Social Security numbers on drivers licenses and to obtain fingerprints or some other form of biometric identification for licenses."
Along with most of his colleagues in the Congress -- including Sen. John McCain but not Rep. Ron Paul -- Biden voted for the Patriot Act and the Real ID Act (which was part of a larger spending bill). Obama voted for the bill containing the Real ID Act, but wasn't in the U.S. Senate in 2001 when the original Patriot Act vote took place.
you can read the entire article at http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338
All this being said, I support neither McCain or Obama. I find the McCain who could not be nominated to have been a decent guy but the cozy with the religious right nominee stinks too much of Bush, and Obama is just as far left as McCain is right. I would much prefer a centrist candidate with respect for civil liberties. |
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