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twotap
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Although no can ever get from Baracko the specifics of all this change business he keeps blabbering about one thing is for sure that we can count on his plans for the 2nd ammendment. Millions of these cards were sent to expose his plans and remind everyone what an antigunnut he is. This one issue is what kept both Gore and Kerry from the whitehouse and it should prove very effective against Obama. 
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:29 am |
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Dave Starr
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| A total ban on firearms will have only one effect - the price on the street will go up. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol & it isn;t working for drugs. Why do people think it'll work for guns? |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:47 am |
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Kevin McKague
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| hmmmm.....didn't see any sources provided for this information on this little card of yours. Why do you suppose? |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:47 am |
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twotap
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I thought you were an Obama expert??? Check his comments and voting record on the subject and get back with us. 
Ill start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8aeIsTEo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoPJ1upppmA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk9GwXJNM2c&feature=related
On the Second Amendment,
Don’t Believe Obama!
The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
FACT: Barack Obama voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Justices that affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.
6. In the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored SB-1136, which would have amended Illinois licensing laws by increasing the requirements for the Illinois Firearm Owners Identification card. When asked about registration during the Nevada Democratic debate on January 17, 2008, Obama did not oppose it, but simply stated, “I don’t think that we can get that done.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15demdebate-transcript.html?pagewanted=all)
7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)
14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.
16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
Obama Supports D.C. Gun Ban
Obama on registering the nation's gun owners
Concealed Carry
"...I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," Obama said. Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004
Ammunition Retrictions -- "micro-stamping"
"There was a discussion today about a law that has just passed in California that allows micro-tracing of bullets that have been discharged in a crime so that they can immediately be traced," he said. "This is something that California has passed over the strong objections of the NRA…That's the kind of common sense gun law that gun owners as well as victims of gun violence can get behind." Barack Obama, Feb. 15, 2008 Baltimore Sun.com Feb. 15, 2008
Local Gun Bans
"I think that local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own gun laws…The City of Chicago has gun laws, as does Washington, D.C.," he said. Barack Obama, Feb. 15, 2008 Baltimore Sun.com
Licensing and Registering gun owners
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done.
2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:53 am |
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Kevin McKague
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:13 am |
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twotap
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Hmmm....very little in the way of sourcing of backing up of assertions there either.
I guess all those quotes and votes are just to be overlooked, what the hell old Baracko was just funnin. You Barack supporters can try to hide his record but it aint gonna fly. I cant wait to see him sloshing around in some duck marsh with some brand new hunting duds and a borrowed OU Browning (ALA JF Kerry) showing the world how progun he is. "Can I get me one of them thar huntin licenses"?? Famous Kerry quote while talkin down to those backwoods hicks. |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:24 am |
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MikeInGB
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More Bubba Bait from the peanut gallery. What took you so long, Twotap? Boy, looking over some of the information you posted it sure looks like Obama is really passionate about this issue! Why is it the Right always trots out gun control and abortion during elections when they are not even CLOSE to being the issues of the day? I'll tell you. Because it’s all they have! They can't talk about the war because it’s totally fucked up. They can't talk about the economy because it’s totally fucked up. They try to talk about energy by lying to the public that more drilling will solve the problem. They have nothing except their usual fear inducing tactics among the uneducated and ignorant. But hey, go with what works I guess....
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When asked about registration during the Nevada Democratic debate on January 17, 2008, Obama did not oppose it, but simply stated, “
I don’t think that we can get that done
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Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A:
I don't think that we can get that done.
2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:33 am |
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Kevin McKague
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You forgot gay marriage, Mike. Its tearing apart the very fabric of our society. I know my wife and I have suffered greatly in our marriage since the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling.
(the obligatory emoticons are for TwoTap) |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:56 am |
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MikeInGB
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quote:
Kevin McKague schreef:
You forgot gay marriage, Mike. Its tearing apart the very fabric of our society. I know my wife and I have suffered greatly in our marriage since the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling.
(the obligatory emoticons are for TwoTap)
Ah yes. My apologies for such a glaring omission.
I also heard that Obama hates puppies. Now it that isn't un-American than I don't know what is!! |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:03 am |
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Mellow D
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Obama doesn't just hate puppies. He KICKS them.
That's right. I said it.
Barrack Obama is a puppy kicker!!! |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:42 am |
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twotap
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I guess that means you take the 2nd ammendment lightly. Thats your perogative of course but its got Baracko right by the ass trying to weasle his way out of his record on the subject. Hey Mellow ill bet you would think Baracko was a puppy kicker if he did suddenly become "Prolife" you know your no.1 litmus test. Gay marriage, who gives a rats ass  (ass and gays in the same sentence) about that its a friggin piece of paper nothing more nothing less if it makes em happy or more gay let em have it. |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:24 am |
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Dave Starr
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| If he dumps the 2nd amendment,, maybe he'll get rid of the 1st, 4th & 5th as well. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:08 pm |
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Public D
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:06 pm |
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Kevin McKague
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quote:
Dave Starr schreef:
If he dumps the 2nd amendment,, maybe he'll get rid of the 1st, 4th & 5th as well.
I'm glad you mentioned those amendments, Dave.
Sen John Sidney McCain III co-wrote the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (aka McCain-Feingold Act) which makes it illegal for you or I to run an issue ad 60 days before a general election. Say you and I pitched in to run an ad on channel 12 clarifying to the viewers the danger of
very old people
driving cars, operating heavy machinery such as the Ti-Vo or "inter-tubes" or, say, the nuclear button....
...we would be committing a federal crime!
How is that NOT a violation of our First Amendment rights?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act
The Fourth Amendment protections against illegal searches and seizures? How quaint....The GWB administration eliminated it already with provisions allowing for illegal wiretapping, approved by Sen. John Sidney McCain III
The Fifth Amendment protections of due process? Surely you jest. Homeland Security can pick up American citizens simply by declaring them to be "enemy combatants". Of course, they don't really have to be "enemy combatants" at all! After all, once you label somebody an "enemy combatant", you can put them away without trial! What are they going to do? Call a lawyer?
Brought to us by President George W. Bush and given an enthusiastic "two thumbs up!!!" by Sen. John Sidney McCain III.
Coming soon:
In a McCain administration (not) coming soon....The elimination of all privacy!!!!
Think that privacy isn't in the Constitution? Check the Ninth Amendment.
Don't like your right to have your private life protected in this 21st Century world of prying technology?
Vote McCain, and he'll appoint Supreme Court Justices that will take our Constitution back to the 18th Century!
Justices like Antonin Scalia, who said that the Constitution means only what it meant when it was written. Weren't stockades legal then? Then stockades aren't cruel and unusual punishment, says Justice Scalia!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90011526
Wow!! Those Republicans sure know how to interpret our rights!!!! |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:17 pm |
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Dave Starr
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quote:
Kevin McKague schreef:
Vote McCain, and he'll appoint Supreme Court Justices that will take our Constitution back to the 18th Century!
Justices like Antonin Scalia, who said that the Constitution means only what it meant when it was written.
Sounds good to me. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:23 pm |
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