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Frappuhn
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Rob,
Where are you located now?
Don't drive by my place, if you saw what I can a sign you would throw a rock threw my window!!!!
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Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:23 am |
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Frappuhn
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Adam,
In 25 years of being involved in political elections I have learned a few things.
You not only analyze what votes you received and where you received them, but the votes you didn’t received are just as important.
For example, in Davison the total votes cast for the other three candidates that ran against Mac Fortner exceeded the votes Mac received, so a majority of the voter in the City of Davison didn’t vote for Mac. That would concern me!!!
In the City of Davison we have 2 senior citizen housing complexes within 2 blocks of downtown. Approx. 500 voters and seniors are known for excellent voting records. The local newspaper, along with Mac, did and good job of paint the city as being a bad guy for removing the canopies. To quote the publishers wife, “these senior citizens need those canopies, the need the shade and protection of the rain when they come downtown”
Mac ran on a platform of “keep the canopies”.
According to our last census the City of Davison is approx. 50% rental property. Renters have been known to rarely vote. And for that reason candidates rarely campaign in the apartment complexes or trailer park. My sister in Law that lives in an apartment complex in the City received a flyer informing her if certain candidates were elected and the “rental inspection ord.” Is passed her rent possibly could go up.
Mac ran on a platform of stopping the rental ord.
Before I start bragging about the margin of victory I would be concerned more about the majority that didn’t vote for Mac.
· Taking nothing away from Mac, he did a good job of telling voters things that he would change, which he couldn’t and hasn’t yet.
· He did a good job of piggybacking on the local newspaper’s illegal activities of discounted full-page ads that Kevin has mention many times.
· And he did a fine job of fanning the flames of the wildfire that the local newspaper started.
I believe the city council has learned a lesson from this past election when we had 4 people run for 1 spot. According to the Michigan Municipal League, quite a few municipalities in the state have a primary to prevent this from happening. So the winner of the election is in the true majority of the voters.
Also about half of the municipalities in the state, according to the MML, elect the mayor/president from within the council. Meaning that you run for council and then the first meeting of the council after the election the council elects a mayor/president. This way the council would be assured not to elect a dummy that can’t run a meeting properly.
Running a meeting properly is very important, you will know how important it is when the city is involved in a lawsuit because someone felt they were denied something because of the council not following proper procedure or in past practices.
I wish our city council the best and know that Davison will prevail. I know you will have some comeback with some textbook quote or a comparison to Flint but…..
I don’t live in Flint, I live in Davison. |
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Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:30 am |
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Brian Warner
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It is obvious the economy isn't at it's best and you could probably throw fact after fact after fact about how the economy is getting worse. It just seems that Fortner is concentrating so heavily on "the bad economy" and he uses it for his excuse for everything he's against. His negative demeanor towards The City of Davison and what it has accomplished and the overall direction Davison was heading is overwhelming. Despite constantly being pointed out to him that there was a very low interest rate loan secured by (former City Manager) Pete Auger before he moved on, to finance the new municipal building and it would cost the taxpayers less in the long run to rebuild rather than renovate.
He projects a dim future for Davison and I guess that's what bothers me the most. Why would a Mayor speak so ill about the future of the city he runs?
More voters didn't want Fortner to be Mayor than did. Had Rappuhn ran a stronger campaign during the election and tried harder to dispel the negative image that he was getting from The Davison Index (under Jim Sherman) he may have had a better chance at being re-elected (no offense FRapp. that's my opinion). He had (many voters main source of information) The Davison Index (again, under Jim Sherman) against him all the way and printing negatively about the damn canopy removal (you would swear that it was the worst thing that could have happened to Davison). I feel that Rappuhn was progressive towards the future of Davison and the older (seniors) residents resented him for wanting to update their old town. I for one, appreciated the direction the city WAS heading.
I have never been a fan of the "whoa-is-me" attitude and Fortner plays that role. "When the going gets tough, the tough gets going." They don't run away and hide. He votes against renovations, of any kind, repeatedly and then actually argued with a council member that he indeed "is for renovations". How is that possible? Often Fortner doesn't have a leg to stand on and always falls back on the easiest excuse available (poor economy) to back his points. It is frustrating beyond words. Feel however you want to feel about whatever. Just back up your feelings and explain your viewpoints so that people can understand where you are coming from. Fortner does not do this. |
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Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:15 am |
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strattonsigns
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Fred,
Right now I'm working out of the house. Cramped!!! Hoping to have a store front/shop soon! If you need that sign replaced, let me know.
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Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:17 am |
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Adam
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I think it would be beneficial if you guys could get the business park project fully occupied yesterday. I was a little surprised there is developement space left in the city.
How is Davison twp doing on economic developement? I understand why Fred R. paints a rosy picture but it does seem like Davison City is limited in what they can do.
Whose taxes are lower the twp or city? I've heard both are pretty resonable and not sky high like Flint.
Do any of you guys ever go to school board meetings? If so I think you should suggest supplementing American government class with a day or two of elected officials coming in to talk about twp and city government etc and how it works.
What's the status on Davison's M-15 lifeline? Is it getting widened yet? |
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Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:09 pm |
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Kevin McKague
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True story:
A couple weeks ago, elected and appointed officials from small cities around Genesee County met for their semi-annual Small Cities meeting. The guest of honor was
Tim Skubick, the host of the show "Off the Record"
, a program on several Michigan PBS stations that focuses on local politics.
Mr. Stubik had given a very interesting speech, and told funny stories about local and state politics. At one point, he spoke about term limits, which he apparently opposes. He asked the listening crowd for a show of hands from those who voted in favor of the term limit ballot initiative.
Mayor Fred "Mac" Fortner of Davison rose his hand.
Why, Fred was asked, did you vote for the law?
He thought that older legislators were there for too long, and that they should be forced to step aside for newer talent.
"What", Mr. Stubick asked, "...makes you think that didn't already happen? The turnover rate before term limits was consistently around 30% for every election".
Then Mr. Stubick asked Mayor Fortner what he had done before becoming mayor, to which the mayor replied that he had been a baker for about a hundred years.
"What if, after 12 years, you were told you couldn't be a baker anymore, that you had to step aside for somebody new?"
He went on to describe the breaking-in period all new legislators must go through, and how they really don't get their stride until they've learned the ropes.
Through all of this, Mayor Fortner is speechless, unable to answer questions. His face is visibly perspiring, and turning red.
Finally, Mr. Stubick asks the mayor: "Who, of all of our current elected officials, do you think deserve to be term-limited?"
Fred Fortner is really stumped now. He thinks about it, ten seconds, twenty seconds pass. His face is getting redder, but he can't think of a single example. Other attendees are shouting out their answers, but still, Mac is drawing a blank.
Finally, he answers...
Senator Don Riegle
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For those of you new to Michigan, or too young to remember, Don Riegle represented the state of Michigan in the U.S. Senate,
from 1976 to 1995
Yep, its true. Given the choice, Mayor Fred "Mac" Fortner would
retroactively
limit the terms of those who have left office 13 years ago.
Don't you just love those small town politicians!
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:25 am |
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andi03
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| God I love Skubik!!! I have been a fan since the 80's when I lived in Lansing.....sigh. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:28 am |
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twotap
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| Stubik is a flagrant whiny ass liberal no wonder only PBS will touch him. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:04 am |
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Kevin McKague
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quote:
twotap schreef:
Stubik is a flagrant whiny ass liberal no wonder only PBS will touch him.
I can't imagine you watching anything on PBS for long enough to have an opinion.
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:09 am |
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Adam Ford
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quote:
Kevin McKague schreef:
True story:
A couple weeks ago, elected and appointed officials from small cities around Genesee County met for their semi-annual Small Cities meeting. The guest of honor was
Tim Skubik, the host of the show "Off the Record"
, a program on several Michigan PBS stations that focuses on local politics.
Mr. Stubik had given a very interesting speech, and told funny stories about local and state politics. At one point, he spoke about term limits, which he apparently opposes. He asked the listening crowd for a show of hands from those who voted in favor of the term limit ballot initiative.
Mayor Fred "Mac" Fortner of Davison rose his hand.
Why, Fred was asked, did you vote for the law?
He thought that older legislators were there for too long, and that they should be forced to step aside for newer talent.
"What", Mr. Stubick asked, "...makes you think that didn't already happen? The turnover rate before term limits was consistently around 30% for every election".
Then Mr. Stubick asked Mayor Fortner what he had done before becoming mayor, to which the mayor replied that he had been a baker for about a hundred years.
"What if, after 12 years, you were told you couldn't be a baker anymore, that you had to step aside for somebody new?"
He went on to describe the breaking-in period all new legislators must go through, and how they really don't get their stride until they've learned the ropes.
Through all of this, Mayor Fortner is speechless, unable to answer questions. His face is visibly perspiring, and turning red.
Finally, Mr. Stubick asks the mayor: "Who, of all of our current elected officials, do you think deserve to be term-limited?"
Fred Fortner is really stumped now. He thinks about it, ten seconds, twenty seconds pass. His face is getting redder, but he can't think of a single example. Other attendees are shouting out their answers, but still, Mac is drawing a blank.
Finally, he answers...
Senator Don Riegle
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For those of you new to Michigan, or too young to remember, Don Riegle represented the state of Michigan in the U.S. Senate,
from 1976 to 1995
Yep, its true. Given the choice, Mayor Fred "Mac" Fortner would
retroactively
limit the terms of those who have left office 13 years ago.
Don't you just love those small town politicians!
So Kevin you're upset that Bush can't run again? How about if we still had Clinton then we wouldn't have to worry about your boy Barry Hussein becoming president because it might still be Clinton.
Legisltators often do get more experienced and become more adept at passing new laws taxes etc as they gain experience.
Experienced and long serving congressman and senators are often good at running through new pork barrel spending that we the taxpaying servants are forced to pay for. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am |
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Kevin McKague
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quote:
Adam Ford schreef:
So Kevin you're upset that Bush can't run again? How about if we still had Clinton then we wouldn't have to worry about your boy Barry Hussein becoming president because it might still be Clinton.
Legisltators often do get more experienced and become more adept at passing new laws taxes etc as they gain experience.
Experienced and long serving congressman and senators are often good at running through new pork barrel spending that we the taxpaying servants are forced to pay for.
Did you notice that it was Mr. Stubick who was speaking about term limits in the story, and not me? Term limits was just the vessel for the story. The point was about how your boy "Mac" stands on an issue without even knowing why. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:45 am |
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twotap
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I can't imaging you watching anything on PBS for long enough to have an opinion.
There goes that imagination of yours again. I
enjoy watching the unbiased commentators expose their bias. Ever notice the look on his face and how the tone of his voice changes when he says the word Republican. What a clown. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:07 am |
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Adam Ford
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quote:
Kevin McKague schreef:
The point was about how your boy "Mac" stands on an issue without even knowing why.
The important thing is whether or not he's on the right side of the issue. I'm sure Ganholm and the dems can do a great job of explaining why we needed an increase in the income and other taxes. I'd rather have people like Fred in office that can't give an awesome explanation why they won't increase taxes and build a new Taj Majal instead of socialist liberals that can give an eloquent explanation why Davison needs higher taxes. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:21 pm |
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Kevin McKague
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| Adam, I think if somebody came up to you with a 8 x 11 sheet of paper, with the formula "2 + 2 = 4", you would read into it a socialist plot to redistribute wealth, and then go an a tangent about Ron Paul, followed by a youtube video. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:24 pm |
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Kevin McKague
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I'm pretty sure you are smart enough to get the point of the story, nonetheless, I will break it down for you in bite-size pieces.
Mac is against term limits (My position hasn't been stated, and is irrelevant to the story....focus, Adam)
Mac is asked to provide the name of ONE elected official, JUST ONE, that he feels need to be taken out of office.
Mac stumbles, he bumbles, he can't think of anybody!
"OH! What about Don Riegle? He's a bad man, YEAH, take him out."
He's been out, for thirteen years.
OH. |
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:27 pm |
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