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El Supremo

Kietzner spent time in Flint and followed up on allegations that Irma Chenevert also misused her position. However, Channel 4 decided not to run the story, although Chenevert had a history in Detroit.

Frm Kiertzner:

" Suitable to be a Judge? YOU be the judge.

Irma Chenevert wants to be a judge in Detroit, even though she's been forced to resign from the bench . And she's run for the office and lost.

Her latest move is to submit her name to be appointed by the governor when a vacancy happens in court.

Rescue 4 Undercover shows you her path back is out of town and raising serious questions about ethics and public safety.
Post Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:19 pm 
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El Supremo

Kiertzner continued:

Irma Chenevert is the Flint District Court Administrator, in charge of hiring, firing all clerical staff and running the courthouse operations.

We'll get back to her in a minute. Just weeks ago, she hired this man as a deputy clerk. His name is Craig justice. His co-workers call him perverted justice. You can look him up in the Michigan Sex Offender Registry. he plead guilty in 2002 to using his insider position as a Flint probation officer to get sex and drugs from a defendant under his watch. He's a convicted felon and now working back in the court system with full access to court, criminal and state recods. Some say, the fox is in the hen house."

Kiertzner then went to a shot of a woman working in the courthouse with her identity concealed as she describes how employees do not feel safe with justice working there.
Post Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:29 pm 
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El Supremo

Kiertzner continues:

"His boss, Irma Chenevert has had her own trouble. She spent 11 years as a Magistrate here in 6th District Court in Detroit. Then in 2000, it came to an abrupt end. She was admonished b the chief judge for using her office resources to advance a slate of candidates running for several offices and was forced to resign. She cold have been charged with a crime. Chenevert also ran for judge in 2004 and lost in the primary. She pad hundreds of dollars in fines for late filing of campaign finance reports.

We recently followed her with hidden cameras rolling from the Flint courthouse to a leisurely lunch, eating and reading her paperback novel. Then a stop at a Target store fo a little shopping, and a K-mart store where she came out with a few more bags. Finally, back to work 2&1/2 hours later.

Irma reports to Genesee County Chief judge Archie Hayman, who some sources say is her friend and helping to rehabilitate her reputation. But that was with her insider business under the radar of public scrutiny.
Post Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:44 pm 
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El Supremo

Kiertzner continued:

Chenevert still keeps her Detroit address here in the Riverfront Tower so she's eligible to be a Detroit Judge. And get this, during the week,she uses one of Judge Hayman's houses in Flint to avoid the long drive.

(interview with Hayman)

Remember if Chenevert becomes a judge, she could be deciding your case, here in Detroit.

Her future on the bench is up to Governor Granholm. Her office sys they don't discuss judicial appointments."

This was some scripting that Kiertzner proposed to air. However, it demonstrates how critical a thorough vetting of administrative court employees and potential judges really is.

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El Supremo

Court watchers say a Genesee County family Court Judge is often missing-in-action. Where is the chief Judge and other judges on this issue. And what about friendly personal relationships between judges, their golfing buddies, investment brokers and others?
Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:47 am 
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WXYZ channel 7
Ross Jones
5:52 PM, May 30, 2017
12:06 PM, May 31, 2017

PONTIAC, Mich. (WXYZ) - Six years ago, Oakland County Judge Rae Lee Chabots attendance was under scrutiny. Today, all four of Chabots staff membersa judicial secretary, staff attorney and two court clerksare being investigated for collecting their full-time pay, but not working full-time hours.

According to Court Administrator Kevin Oeffner, the countys human resources investigation was initiated after a complaint was lodged and determined that all four employees were taking some liberties when it came to filling out their timecards. Sometimes, staff would take full-days off without using any leave-time.

In other cases, employees were working only partial-day and and not making that time up, as county policy requires.

Two of Chabots staff members were already hit with a one-week unpaid suspension. Whether the two others will face discipline is still being determined.

The amount of unearned salary at issue is estimated to be at least $10,000, but the county's internal probe looked at only three months worth of timecards. If abuses were going on long before the probe began, the total is likely much higher.

"I think the public should be concerned, " said Larry Dubin, a law professor at U of D Mercy.

"The whole wheels of justice that takes place in courtrooms through trials and courtrooms, thats a very arduous, slow moving process. It requires great work intensity and involves the judge and all the people that work in support of that judge," Dubin said.

Questions about attendance arent new in Judge Chabots chambers. In 2011, 7 Action News documented how the judge herself spent much of her work day outside of the courtroom, running errands, enjoying long lunches and sometimes not going into work at all while cases in her courtroom stacked up well beyond state guidelines.

At the time, her boss Chief Judge Nanci Grant said she would talk with Chabot about her schedule. She never received any public discipline.

Below, read the county's internal investigation into alleged timecard abuses. EDITOR'S NOTE: the March 15, 2017 memo from Human Resource Director Jordie Kramer outlining the amount of unearned salary was later deemed too high. However, the county has not calculated a more accurate figure but estimates it is at least $10,000.
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Oakland County judge's staff accused of skipping out on work, collecting pay
Six years ago, Oakland County Judge Rae Lee Chabots attendance was under scrutiny. Today, its her own employees and some have already been disciplined.
wxyz.com|By Ross Jones WXYZ
Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:16 am 
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The Oakland Press

Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Rae Lee Chabot staff skipped work, collected pay

By Mark Cavitt, mcavitt@digitalfirstmedia.com,, @MarkCavitt on Twitter

Oakland County judge's staff accused of skipping work and getting paid
WXYZ - Detroit, MI
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According to an investigation completed by county officials, staffers of Circuit Court Judge Rae L. Chabot have been skipping out of work while still collecting full pay.

According to Kevin Offener, Oakland County court administrator, he discovered an attendance issue on Chabots staff early in 2016 following a complaint about one employee.

After looking into the complaint, he determined it to have merit and turned over matter to Oakland County Human Resources Director Jordie Kramer for further investigation.

The nature of the complaint was that the employee was gone far too often, said Offener. I asked the county if they would look into it more fully. They decided a few weeks later to look at all four employees in that chamber. I approached Oakland County Human Resources about this time last year.

Offener said the countys investigation is largely completed and that human resources came to a few conclusions.

They found that these employees took full days off without reporting them, said Offener. This is a violation of court rules. The second thing they found, which pertains to three of the four employees not including the attorney, were they were taking excessive partial days off and not making up the time as required by county policy.

According to Offener, staff can take partial days off and not report them but they do have to be made up. Only full days have to be reported.

A judges staff -- comprised of an attorney, secretary and one or two clerks -- is required to work 37.5 hours per week, from 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. with an hour lunch.

Michigan Court rules give authority to Offener to discipline the clerks while only Chabot can discipline the secretary and attorney.

Both clerks have been disciplined. They each served a one-week suspension without pay earlier this month.

I also requested that their attendance be corrected so that its taken off their leave bank, said Offener. Staff members get paid for vacation not taken at the end of the year. The only thing outstanding is whether (Chabot) will take action against the attorney and secretary.

John Nevin, Michigan State Court Administrative Office communications director, said the state office will provide advice and counsel to resolve any concerns that have been raised.

The State Court Administrative Office is dedicated to making sure that courts are efficient, follow the rules, and are conscientious stewards of public resources, said Nevin.

The identities of the disciplined employees were not provided because its a employee/employer kind of matter, according to Offener.

In recent years, Chabo has been scrutinized for time she spent during work hours.

According to the Detroit Free Press, in 2011, a camera crew from WXYZ followed Chabot around for several days taping her running errands and other personal things during court hours. The report included court records showing Chabot consistently had the most cases that were overdue.

Chabot was appointed to the Oakland County Circuit Court in December 2000.
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This is a story about a local judge that is scary!
Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:47 am 
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Genesee county has a Circuit Court Judge that officials say is missing more than he is in his courtroom. Lawyers say they are afraid to challenge a judge that misuses their office.
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