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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Remember this story. Well the crime continues and more people are leaving. A man was assaulted last night in the 800 block of Ballenger, which is around Court Street.

The apartment complex on the west side of Ballenger is deserted, except for very few holdouts. No media reports to explain. Many of the once neat Court Street homes west of Ballenger are now abandoned, vandalized or burnt down.

The homes on the east side of Ballenger, north of Corunna (rentals?) are also showing stress.

The hot spot on Flushing and Ballenger has not improved. Hustle Avenue Boys graffiti has recently infiltrated Flushing Road west of Ballenger and streets north. Sloan Street west of Ballenger is gone. At least three blocks are deserted. other streets, like Donaldson, are in trouble.

People see the police patrolling, but where is the comprehensive plan?
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untanglingwebs
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http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/07/police_identify_man_shot_kille.html#incart_river

Flint police are investigating a homicide in the 500 block of East Dewey Street. The shooting happened around 10:30 p.m. Friday, July 17.

FLINT, MI -- Police have identified the 46-year-old man who was shot and killed Friday night on Flint's north side.

Flint police responded to the 500 block of East Dewey Street in reference to a shooting around 10:30 p.m. Friday, July 17. Police at the scene said when they arrived they found Deon Antoine Hall had been shot.

Hall was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police said three men were seen leaving eastbound on Dewey in a white four door coupe with a burgundy vinyl top, according to a news release from the Flint Police Department. Police believe a .45 caliber pistol was involved in the shooting.

Anyone with information is asked to call Detective Trooper Cevin Brown at 810-237-6925, or to submit an anonymous tip call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-SPEAK-UP, or text CSM and your tip to CRIMES (274637) or online at www.1800speakup.org.

Amanda Emery is a police reporter for MLive-Flint Journal. Contact her at aemery@mlive.com or 810-285-0792. Follow her on Twitter or Facebook.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Police must have called in reinforcements. Less than 5 hours after the shooting on E Dewey, there was a shooting on M L King and Welch.

There was at least 2 shootings today (night is young) First one was at 5th Avenue and Stevenson .

The second man was shot 4 times in the vicinity of the 5500 block of Glenn. The suspects are 4 black males in a white/ silver Suburban .

What is revealing is he number of prayers for the City and the residents being made by those who cannot understand the violence.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

I have noticed that when I view houses for sale on the internet there is a listing of the crimes that have occurred in the vicinity.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

http://www.inquisitr.com/2261843/flint-michigan-residents-pay-steep-bills-for-what-the-epa-says-is-hazardous-waste/
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

In Flint, Michigan, there is poison running from the water faucets. It’s one example of the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. Flint, a once thriving major Michigan city, is crumbling in poverty. In 1978, General Motors offered almost 80,000 decently paying jobs in Flint, but as the auto industry moved more jobs out of Michigan, General Motors jobs in Flint fell to only one-tenth of that number by 2006.


As that tax revenue left the city from the declining population, there wasn’t enough money to care for the water system, and it’s fallen into a state of disarray. According to the Nation, Flint’s poverty rate is at 40 percent, the residents’ water bills are skyrocketing, and what is pouring out of the tap is not even fit for bathing in. Despite falling water quality, some residents are complaining of water bills in excess of $300 per month.

In June, the ACLU of Michigan spoke out about Flint’s dangerous water supply in a mini-documentary called Hard To Swallow.


“Residents have complained that the water is not only smelly and brown, but has left some residents physically ill. Yet, despite their cries, city leaders insist that everything is alright. For Flint residents, though, those assurances have gone down about as easily as the water they’re being asked to drink.”

According to the City of Flint, the recent water tests say that it’s safe, but residents are still complaining of having to put their children on rounds of antibiotics after simply bathing in the city’s water. Flint officials say that the water has been tested in eight sites and has come up within safe levels, but residents want their faucets to be the real test sites, because they say the water is far from drinkable. They say it’s not even fit to be used as bath water. As recently as this week, Flint residents on social media are still sharing photos of children with severe rashes that doctors are blaming on Flint’s toxic municipal water supply. Just recently, the city announced that the installation of the Granulated Carbon filter media (GAC) has begun at Flint’s Water Treatment Plant, and within a couple of weeks, that water filter will begin to reduce the Total Organic Carbon (TOC) in the water. City officials hope that with TOC levels reduced, the formation of total trihalomethanes (TTHM) in the residents’ water will also be reduced.

“TTHM is the colorless, odorless byproduct gas created by the reaction between TOC and the chlorine used for disinfecting water during treatment,” the city explained.

Residents say extra chlorine was added to the water to try to kill off the E. coli that was also plaguing Flint’s exceptionally expensive drinking water.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2261843/flint-michigan-residents-pay-steep-bills-for-what-the-epa-says-is-hazardous-waste/#IQ1oc5HrtrsIL02P.99






LeeAnne Walters told Deadline Detroit that she had her water tested by independent experts at Virginia Tech University in an attempt to learn the truth about the water her children were being exposed to. It wasn’t just dangerous amounts of disinfectants or bacteria. The lead in her water was more than twice the amount that would classify it as hazardous waste. Her children were literally being exposed to hazardous waste from Flint’s municipal water supply. That explained how her son came down with lead poisoning, she said. A leaked document made public by the ACLU of Michigan showed that other homes that were not part of the compliance testing sites also showed high levels of lead.

“I have never in my 25-year career seen such outrageously high levels going into another home in the United States,” Virginia Tech professor Marc Edwards explained. “This was literally hazardous-waste levels.”

The lead level coming out of her faucet from the City of Flint’s water supply was found to be at 13,200 parts per billion.

For nearly a year, ever since Flint started drawing water from the Flint River, residents have complained about skin rashes and their hair falling out, Michigan Radio reported. In April, City Council Vice President Wantwaz Davis stated that Flint’s water was so atrocious that it seemed like Governor Rick Snyder and Flint emergency manager Jerry Ambrose, who left at the end of April after being appointed by Snyder under Public Act 436, were attempting to commit genocide against Flint residents, according to MLIVE.


This is how you use water as a weapon against the poor in a community #flintwater pic.twitter.com/WsQXfIGEtW

— #FL1NT (@C1TYofFL1NT) July 18, 2015

While Flint’s water crisis seems to be falling on deaf ears around the nation, experts say that Flint is a foreshadowing of what the rest of America could see in the coming years if something doesn’t happen to improve infrastructure. Two years ago, the American Society of Civil Engineers gave the American water infrastructure a “D+” grade, and warned that, like in Flint, “much of our drinking water infrastructure is nearing the end of its useful life.”




Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2261843/flint-michigan-residents-pay-steep-bills-for-what-the-epa-says-is-hazardous-waste/#IQ1oc5HrtrsIL02P.99
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Signs don't vote, but signs along E Court street show Davis and Weaver are working Walling's own back yard!
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

The $1 million grant does not seem to be working. Groups of youth have committed many petty crimes though Mott Park and have graduated to more advanced crimes. They are now moving north along Ballenger and beyond. Flint does not have enough officers to catch them like they did in the College Cultural area several years ago.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Police investigate early morning shooting in Flint

Molly Young | myoung7@mlive.com By Molly Young | myoung7@mlive.com
on July 20, 2015 at 5:34 AM, updated July 20, 2015 at 5:35 AM

FLINT, MI -- Police are investigating a shooting that happened in Flint early Monday morning, July 20.

It happened shortly after 1 a.m. the 2400 block of North Chevrolet Avenue, between West Dayton Street and West Hamilton Avenue, police said.

A man was taken to the hospital where he was listed in good condition with a gunshot wound, police said.

Police said they did not have any suspects Monday morning.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Flint Police Department at 810-237-6800.

To remain anonymous, contact Crime Stoppers by calling 1-800-SPEAK-UP, texting CSM and your information to CRIMES (274647) or going online at 1800speakup.org. All calls and cash rewards are anonymous.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

The College Cultural area allegedly told the Police Chief that they never see police cars on patrol in their neighborhood. However Kettering sends a car to heck on the sorority nearby. Mott college used to send cars that way. They may have a point a shots were heard in the 1000 block of Franklin last night
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/07/man_charged_with_shooting_that.html#incart_river


Man charged in shooting that left two injured in Flint neighborhood


Roberto Acosta | racosta1@mlive.com By Roberto Acosta | racosta1@mlive.com
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on July 20, 2015 at 5:28 PM, updated July 20, 2015 at 5:30 PM


FLINT, MI -- A 25-year-old man faces several charges following a July 10 shooting on Stedron Street in Flint that left one person in critical condition.

Flint police said Ricky Culberson Jr. has been charged with two counts of assault with intent to murder, carrying a concealed weapon, felon in possession of a firearm, second offense felony firearm and two counts of malicious destruction of property in connection with the incident.

Officers were called at 10:20 p.m. to the 2100 block of Stedron July 10 and found two victims -- one listed in critical condition at a local hospital.

Police said multiple vehicles in the area of Stedron Street had also been struck by gunfire.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

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City of Flint Police Department



Early this morning, Flint Police responded to an alarm at a business in the 800 blk. Welch. On scene, there was fresh damage of forced entry into the business. K9 Officer Edo was deployed into the business and located a suspect who was hiding inside. The suspect was arrested and lodged in jail. Charges are pending review by the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office. Great job Edo and fellow Officers!
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Ambulance crew failed to see man in crashed vehicle, Flint police say




fatal crash chevrolet jackson avenues.jpg
The tree that a Chevrolet Impala hit on Chevrolet Avenue near Jackson Avenue is shown. Police say the call for the accident was given a lower priority when ambulance officials said they couldn't see anyone in the car. A second paramedic then found a dead man inside the vehicle and police responded.

Dominic Adams | dadams5@mlive.com By Dominic Adams | dadams5@mlive.com
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on July 23, 2015 at 5:50 AM, updated July 23, 2015 at 2:05 PM

FLINT, MI – Flint police said the ambulance crew that responded first to a weekend car crash failed to notice a man in the vehicle when police didn't go there because they were too busy on other calls.
•UPDATE: Ambulance company issues statement, says crew unable to locate body in wreckage

Flint police Chief James Tolbert and a spokeswoman for the ambulance company said the matter is under review after a second ambulance that responded over an hour later reported a dead body was actually in the car.

"Why the first crew didn't find a patient, I don't know," said Lynn Schuter, director of community relations for the ambulance company, Mobile Medical Response. "It is under investigation."

Emergency calls began at 4:12 a.m. Saturday, July 18, when residents in the area of Chevrolet and Jackson avenues reported a white Chevrolet Impala left the road and hit a tree.

Tolbert said the police department couldn't send anyone because officers were tied up at two priority scenes: a homicide investigation and a separate shooting.

Instead, dispatch sent a Mobile Medical Response ambulance following the initial 911 calls, city officials said.

But when the first ambulance arrived at 4:26 a.m. — just one minute after it was dispatched — the crew reported there was no one in the vehicle, and the report was downgraded to a less-serious call of a single-car property damage accident, abandoned vehicle, Tolbert said.

"EMS reported back to us that there was nobody in the car and it was just an abandoned car," Tolbert said. "That's way-low priority."

Two more 911 calls came in and dispatch told callers MMR was on the way, according to city officials.

At 5:28 a.m., dispatchers called MMR and the ambulance confirmed "no patient found," according to a statement Tolbert issued through a city spokesman.

The ambulance's response is being investigated, Schuter said.

Schuter said EMTs for MMR respond to crash scenes to be of service to victims, not to investigate crashes or act as police.

"My understanding is that it's a resource issue," she said about why the ambulances were the first responders to the crash scene. "We are there for the patients."

A second MMR ambulance was dispatched later after a neighbor investigated and saw a man in the car and called 911 for the fifth time at 5:39 a.m., Tolbert said. That second ambulance reported at 6 a.m. that a man was dead in the driver's seat, Tolbert said.

Tolbert and Schuter said they did not know whether the man could have been alive when the first ambulance responded.

"We don't know the exact time of death, but we are gathering as much information as we can and talking to everyone involved," Tolbert said. "It obviously wasn't the best outcome to an accident. Just trying to find out what part everyone played in it."

Flint police arrived at the crash scene at 6:07 a.m. Saturday, according to the Flint Police Department, one hour and 55 minutes after the first 911 call was made.

A statement from Flint police said the car was driving north on Chevrolet when it went off the road and hit a tree.

Devon Johnson was watching television in his home next door to the crash scene when he heard a loud boom about 4:20 a.m.

"I thought they hit the house," Johnson said of the crash, and then looked out of his large picture window. "I didn't see anybody in the vehicle."

Johnson said he then called police.

About 5 a.m., Johnson said, he made another call to police.

"There were two shooting scenes being processed, including a homicide, and no FPD units were available to take the call," city spokesman Jason Lorenz said.

Lorenz said the Saginaw-based MMR ambulance was dispatched to the scene and reported there was no one in the vehicle.

"The ambulance showed up — flashed its lights in the car — neither one got out, and they pulled off," Johnson said. "So we called police again."

MMR's spokeswoman, Schuter, said she didn't know if any of the emergency medical technicians got out of the ambulances to check inside of the crashed vehicle for victims.

"Upon receiving another 911 call at 5:47 a.m. that there was in fact someone in the vehicle, another ambulance responded and found the deceased in the vehicle," Lorenz said. "At that point, FPD sent a unit to the scene. Had the first responding ambulance reported an occupant being injured or deceased, a unit would have been sent to the scene."

All told, Johnson claims there were four 911 calls from his residence before police got there.

Police have not released the identity of the man or a cause of the crash.

"We're going to make some contact with them (MMR)," Tolbert said. "We'll try and address it so it doesn't happen again."

This is not the first time that city residents have been concerned with Flint police response time.

In 2014, an employee at a Domino's Pizza was told police were too busy to respond to an assault inside the store.

Officials at a downtown church complained in 2012 that Flint police never responded after a woman was raped inside the building.

-Staff Writer Amanda Emery contributed to this report.

Dominic Adams is a reporter for The Flint Journal. Contact him at dadams5@mlive.com or 810-241-8803. Follow him on Twitter, Facebook or Google+.


Evil Mkcuf

This is the Flint residents fault, if you would vote for a police mileage you'd have an adequate police force. Oh wait.........WE DID

fireatwill

My question is where's MSP during all this? They keep putting more and more Troopers in Flint, what the hell do they do? They don't respond to calls, or accidents for that matter. Why are they not responding to calls FCP cannot? There's no reason to have them here if they can't respond when people need them. I didn't know being a Trooper meant you didn't have to answer the publics call for service?


Dominic Adams | dadams5@mlive.com

MMR has turned over its investigation to the Genesee County Medical Control Authority. Read more here: http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/07/ambulance_company_says_first_c.html


tdiimhcs

Having no officers available to respond is not surprising. It has and does happen everyday in Flint. It is sad but true. This incident, just happened to make the news.

This is one of the many reasons why those that are able to, move out of Flint. Also a reason why Flint will not gain in population. Quit making excuses. It is a lack of manpower issue in both the Police and Fire Departments.



Blue407

It is not the responsibility of the citizen or the ambulance personnel to check that car . It is the responsibility of police. Remember the police millage that voters approved a few years ago. The Mayor has not replaced any of the Officers who have retired in the last two years. They tried, but no one in their right mind would work as a police officer in Flint for $15 per hour. This short staffing fiasco falls squarely on the chief and Mayor. Ask Chief Tolbert why he had regular patrol Officers assigned to a drag racing detail while this was going on.


burtonguy

@Blue407

Response times of police and other emergency crews will always vary even in the best of circumstances. What is the current policy if police are not the first responders?

Generally speaking, in the real world, resources are not always where you need them when you need them so you have to prioritize.

libertarianatheart

@Blue407 Bovine excrement.

If an ambo is sent to a call, it most certainly is their responsibility to check for a patient.

Do you think they drive off when someone is in a house and doesn't walk out to them? Firefighters and paramedics have had to break into houses before because a patient can't get to the door.


Blue407
Private ambulance EMTs regularly wait or " Stage" and await the arrival of Police in Flint. You do not know what you are talking about. This is Flint , not Disneyland. Paramedics are not firemen and they do not break into houses in FLINT.


Blue407

Buttonguy, The City of Flint nor the Fpd set policy for private ambulance companies operating inside of Flint. These problems did not occur when the city ran its own ambulance services utilizing trained Firefighters who were paramedics.

Blue407

Bottom line is you are on your own in some areas (Other than downtown) in Flint. Most of the posters on his blog would be wise not to get out of their cars or unlock their doors after dark in Flint. Especially during this time of night.


burtonguy

@Blue407

Someone made this a low-priority call from the ambulance driver's erroneous information. That's either Fpd/dispatch policy or it isn't.

Regardless of how well any operation is staffed or financed, some things will be done now, and some things will be done later.

Evil Mkcuf

@Blue407 Arresting those drag racers made me feel safer. And the prossies too.

BillandhisElephant

So there must be no first responder system in place? I was once a basic EMT locally, and as mentioned by many others here, why did no one look for a driver? An abandoned passenger, evidence of ejection from the vehicle? Someone who tried to walk away and collapsed? Trauma and MVA aren't typically handed to the EMT on a neat plate saying 'here, work on this.'



friend12
Pretty stupid. It is pretty obvious the first ambulance crew didn't fully check the car and it's surroundings. The other part about PD and fire just shows how under staffed both are, although, I am pretty sure PD could have released a unit from the homicide scene to at least check the crash.


A Huggibear

Haven't the tax payers of this state poured millions of dollars into the state police under the guise of augmenting Flint and Detroit. Where was MSP at?

Blue407
The MSP are busy making traffic stops and looking for guns. They don't respond to regular patrol calls. They leave the garbage calls to the FPD.



jimcole46
Hard to believe that at least one of those patrols cars that were investigating another crime couldn't leave and check this out when it was called in. Or, that there were only two cars on patrol in the whold city of Flint. Not good.


shopratuaw

@Dominic Adams | dadams5@mlive.com @shopratuaw @jimcole46 Thanks, even in the dead of winter I'd have looked closer than the EMT apparently did so maybe he needs a reprimand/refresher training or MMR needs to clarify their procedures. I don't want the EMT fired, he needs to reexamine and learn from this.

The guy was likely already dead, from the looks of the tree he was well over the speed limit. The cause of the crash is secondary, for all we know it was suicide. You still have to save him if possible.

cvflyer

I think the fact that it took over twelve minutes between the initial call at 4:12 and the the 4:25 dispatch time. (the on scene time was supposedly one minute after the dispatch time) IMHOP this ambulance company is grossly negligent. Taking that long to dispatch an ambulance, coupled with obvious poor scene inspection, this person didn't seem to have a chance.



shopratuaw

How about your responsibility as a citizen or human being? I live in Flint, I guarantee if this accident happened near my house I'd have investigated the scene unless one of my neighbors beat me to it and told me the guy was dead.

If the crash didn't wake my wife and me our dogs would have, she'd have made me go see if I could help while she called 911 and stayed on the phone to relay my findings.

The tree looks pretty bad, were the vehicle's doors standing open? If not you should assume someone is inside, open doors only indicate it's possible nobody is inside.

This is on MMR, there is no way an EMT crew should have left the scene without insuring nobody was in the vehicle.

doinit4me

Once again this is a primary example of putting the cart before the horse. Cities everywhere were originally incorporated to provide three basic services to its citizens and visitors. Police, Fire and DPW. These services are supposed to come first, last and always. That means Flint should not be paying for ANYTHING else until it can pay for these basic services. Nothing of any significance in Flint will change until our "leaders" decide to provide Police, Fire and DPW services. They are the bedrock services upon which all cities are built...or re-built in Flint's case.

jefnvk

So, you mean to tell me that if I want to pull off some sort of crime in Flint, all I have to do to have the entire police force tied up is to create two diversions?

I have a hard time comprehending a city as large as Flint having its entire available police force at two shooting scenes.


burtonguy
@jefnvk

Why do you have such a hard time accepting police will not be there when you need them to be? The fact is most police response is reactionary with a measurable response time. Something happens, and you wait for them to get there-- sometimes a long, long time.

There's not much this guy could have done; however, being prepared to take care of your own safety and security is within what most people can usually do.

john
Let's be honest about it. Police couldn't respond because most of them have been laid off.
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untanglingwebs
El Supremo

"Tolbert said the police department couldn't send anyone because officers were tied up at two priority scenes: a homicide investigation and a separate shooting"


This problem is not unique to the current Police Chief. This problem has existed ever since they started cutting the ranks of the officers. Of all of the commenters, Blue 407 has the best handle on the situation. Having been an officer, he understands the protocols involved.

Neither the police nor the 911 create the protocols and rules for any ambulance company operating in Genesee County. That is the job of the little known Genesee County Medical Control.

Listen to the scanners and you will hear the ambulance companies being asked if hey are "staging" as Blue 407 referenced.

Blue 407 is right about a shortage of officers. The numbers keep dropping as officers who are unsure of their jobs in Flint are retiring or leaving for other jobs elsewhere. The department may say there is 99 officers (minus at least 3 now), but one has to remember there is a hierarchy and specialized units, such as traffic.
Plus the officers can no longer bank large amounts of leave time and must "take it or lose it" once they reach their max allowed.

As Blue 407 mentioned, there is a lot of manpower and much time needed at a crime scene. Often one crime scene can deplete or nearly deplete all available patrol officers. Mention has been made that no state troopers were there to help. While they were not mentioned in the articles, I did notice at least one State Police uniform in the photos. I am assuming some State Police were there at both scenes as there were not enough Flint officers to cover both.

With multiple shots fired and shootings every nigh, plus the occasional stabbing and active armed robberies, the available police are being overwhelmed. And it looks like things will only get worse. No one wants to risk their life for a part time,$15 an hour job in Flint.
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While many in Mott Park and Glenwood Hills don't like to broadcast the problems with vandalism and theft in the area, they are getting hit hard. Now these problems are hitting the area called the New Northern and further east and north. Home invasions, armed robberies and thefts are occurring daily. In Mott Park, the 2700 block of Thomas has been extremely troublesome and the armed robbery of a young teen for his I phone while taking out the garbage is extremely unnerving.
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