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Cosmored
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Listen to these two speeches of Hitler's.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler%3A+Explains+His+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union&sm=12

Watch the above speech here without having to log in.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a0_1301486247


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler%3A+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12

He may have been lyiing to the German people and soldiers but at least we know what they were thinking as the German army invaded Poland and Russia. Americans are taught that Hitler said to the German people, "We should invade eastern Europe to expand German territory" and the German people said, "Good idea, let's do it". The German people and soldiers believed (perhaps wrongly) they were righting old wrongs and defending their territory. That is one confirmed lie that the American government tells the American people. Does that make you a little suspicious? If there's one lie, there may be others.

Here's some more stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler%27s+War+-+What+the+Historians+Neglect+to+Mention&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler+Saved+Europe+From+Stalin&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Who+Started%EF%BB%BF+World+War+II%3F+by+Viktor+Suvorov&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Churchill%27s+War&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mark+Weber+speaks+on+Hitler%27s+Place+in+History&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Irving+-+The+Faking+of+Adolf+Hitler+for+History&sm=12

This analysis of WW2 seems pretty objective.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEM_xOGE8U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMJQeg4xYoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkf94miRGNU
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At the 1:03:50 time mark of this video we are told what Hitler's offer of peace to England was during the battle of Britain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFLTP5zKqA&index=33&list=PLOKa3KUnt_R6hQSPh51vmjQ_BgDDWQzBz

Go back to the 57:25 time mark to see more details.


Here's the revisionist version of why the Germans didn't like the Jews.

This happened first.

An alternate look at WW1 & WW2 (p-1 of 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry37mKMh04U

Watch all four parts.


Then this happened.
http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.se/2012/03/more-important-history-revealed-how.html

Then the Jews did this in retaliation.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

This was happening while the above was happening.

Dr. Mark Weber: Adolf Hitler's German Economic Miracle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDu3QUveAcI


I haven't taken a firm stand on anything yet but it seems like what happened was quite different from what Americans are taught.
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Cosmored
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Here's some revisionist info I found about the Holocaust.


At the 5:45 time mark of this video...
http://www.youtube.com/results...ers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12

...it's said that the gas chamber doors were opened fifteen or twenty minutes after they were first closed and then they started dragging out the dead bodies.

According to this video that was an impossibility.
http://www.youtube.com/results...Gaz+FRA+avec+ENG+SUB

It's explained again in this video.

Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3nYJxU6SM

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.
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1987 - David McCalden - Holocaust Revisionism for Beginners - Part 1 (EN)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn9wlUwr-wk


http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf
(excerpt)
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First of all, because of false representations by the media, it
is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism
does not maintain:
– it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third
Reich;
– it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
– it does not deny that Jews were deported;
– it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
– it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
– it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
– it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of
reasons;
– it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted,
such as gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and
political dissenters;
– and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned
things were unjust.

None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are
doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the
Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass
murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers (see
Question 4).
Holocaust revisionists believes the following to be correct:5
1. There was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;6
2. Likewise, there was no National Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
3. There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged extermination plan. Consider the
statement by the world-renowned Holocaust researcher
Prof. Raul Hilberg:7
»But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction
not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any
agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget
for destructive measures [of the Juden]. They [the measures]were taken step by step. Thus came about not so much
a plan being carried out but an incredible meeting of
minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung [German] bureaucracy.«;
4. In detailed investigations of former German concentration
camps, expert researchers have established: The internment camps had no sophisticated methods for mass murder, in particular no homicidal gas chambers.8
Furthermore, the reports of mass shootings behind the GermanRussian front were greatly exaggerated and taken out of
context;9
5. There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In
fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient
to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation
and epidemics.10
6. There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal
gas chambers,11 and no material traces of alleged mass
murders.12 All ‘proof’ relies on eyewitness accounts only,
whose unreliability is widely acknowledged.13
7. Despite massive observation by spies and resistance
groups in areas in the near vicinity of the German concentration camps, all of Germany’s wartime enemies conducted themselves as if no exterminations of Jews were
taking place. The charges of genocide were not raised until after Germany’s defeat, when there was no German
government to dispute them.14
8. Statistical investigations of living Jews worldwide show
clearly that the losses of this ethnic group during the Second World War were nowhere near six million. The exact
number is probably well under half a million.15
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Here's some more stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/results...olocaust+Myths&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...ers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...%BF+HOLOCAUST+&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...rayal+Of+Evil+&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...on+Germany%22+&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...Williams+Show+&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...ichael+Shermer&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nY6T46aGA
http://www.youtube.com/results...+David+Cole%22&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results...s+Stupid%3F%22&sm=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak
http://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...E0MVIdW0bOrc4nfiZd6g
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_lampshades
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4P-YGRbOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPibi1ozd50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t=PL57CF031B7D887289
http://ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.shtml
https://www.google.es/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=The+Realist+Report%3A+How+the+%22Holocaust%22+was+faked
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http://nazigassings.com/
(excerpt)
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There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This delibeerate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
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http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf

More good info here....
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?board=65.0
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?board=28.0



I have to admit that the revisionists make a good case.


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Post Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:54 am 
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Cosmored
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This article is about the theory that the commandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp was really the commandant of a slave labor camp - not a death camp - and was tortured into giving a false confession.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html
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He appeared before the International Military Tribunal as a witness on 15 April 1946, where his deposition caused a sensation. To the amazement of the defendants and in the presence of journalists from around the world, he confessed to the most frightful crimes that history had ever known. He said that he had personally received an order from Himmler to exterminate the Jews. He estimated that at Auschwitz 3,000,000 people had been exterminated, 2,500,000 of them by means of gas chambers. His confessions were false. They had been extorted from Höss by torture, but it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him.
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The texts generally collected under the title Commandant in Auschwitz. Höss is alleged to have written these texts in pencil under the watchful eye of his Polish-Communist jailers, while in a prison at Cracow awaiting his trial. He was condemned to death on 2 April 1947 and hanged at the Auschwitz concentration camp fourteen days later.
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I'm not taking a firm stand on anything as it's all second-hand info. If it turns out that the supposed death camps were really slave-labor camps, he still deserved to be hanged in my opinion as taking people prisoner and carting them off to work as slaves is reprehensible.
Post Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:43 am 
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Cosmored
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Check out what's said at the 22:20 time mark of this video about the Dutch hunger winter.

ZEITGEIST 3 - MOVING FORWARD (FULL - 2011)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlPs10GSJjQ



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944
(excerpt)
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A German blockade cut off food and fuel shipments from farm areas. Some 4.5 million were affected and survived because of soup kitchens. As many as 22,000 may have died because of the famine[1] one author estimated 18,000
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It's probably true. No objective person would say that wasn't evil.


I've read all kinds of things about what the Germans did during WW2. Some of them have turned out to be lies but there seems to have been a lot of real evil too. I once read that during the occupation of France, when a French partisan killed a German, the Germans killed one hundred French people in retaliation. I wonder how we can verifiy that. There's really no point in checking the mainstream info as that's where the lies come from.
Post Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:22 am 
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Cosmored
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These articles are interesting.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-world-order-the-founding-fathers/5445255
http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-war-i-the-gallipoli-campaign-the-untold-story/5445098

If the articles ever go off-line, you can google the titles and authors.

"New World Order: The Founding Fathers"
"World War I and the British Empire: The Gallipoli Campaign, The Untold Story"

Gerry Docherty
Jim Macgregor
Post Mon May 04, 2015 7:27 am 
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Cosmored
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This video is relevant to this issue. Both links go to the same video.

The Zionist Story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK7JJea3Sz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_214712&feature=iv&s%20rc_vid=wA1lDow-0rk&v=ufLAitMq3zI
Post Tue May 12, 2015 8:53 am 
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Cosmored
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In this video it's alleged that Patton might have been killed by the US government for seeing the truth and talking about it?

"New updated Part 25 Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story NEVER Told!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWt72lgMVE
(1:55 time mark)


Here's something else.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/history-of-world-war-ii-americas-was-providing-military-aid-to-the-ussr-while-also-supporting-nazi-germany/5449378
Post Mon May 18, 2015 4:51 am 
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Cosmored
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Here's some more info that supports the theory that it was impossible to remove the bodies from the gas chambers the way we're told they did (see top of post #2).

http://germarrudolf.com/germars-views/202-some-technical-and-chemical-considerations-about-the-gas-chambers-of-auschwitz-and-birkenau/
(excerpt)
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No less false are the times alleged for the ventilation of mortuaries 1 (the ‘gas chambers’) of crematoria II and III, since the witnesses proceeded on the mistaken assumption that a single air exchange would remove all the poison gas. The delay in the reduction of the remaining concentration of hydrogen cyanide means that in a realistic scenario the required ventilation time would exceed that recounted by the witnesses by a factor of 10 or more (diminished circulation due to the bodies, ‘short-circuit’ of air, aftergeneration of gas from the Zyklon B). As well, the problem of continued aftergeneration of gas from the remaining Zyklon B, which would have made it impossible to work within the chambers without protective clothing in anything less than 2 hours even with ongoing ventilation, also prove that the witnesses have not told the truth.
The ‘gas chambers’ of crematoria IV and V as well as of Bunkers I and II would have had to be designed and built as instruments of mass murder if the mass gassings alleged to have been planned and in progress during the construction of these facilities had really taken place; yet even Pressac admits that the gassing procedures attested to were illogical and ridiculous, and highly dangerous to the Sonderkommandos in particular. In the face of all this, anyone approaching this issue from a scientific and technical perspective cannot but conclude that the alleged murderers went to great lengths to devise the most expensive, complicated, dangerous and problematic way to kill people en masse. For example, the coal-refining BUNA works of I.G. Farbenwerke AG, only a few miles away, could easily have provided a cheap supply of coal gas high in carbon monoxide for poisoning, or bottled nitrogen for asphyxiation.[141] But in Auschwitz, of all places, it had to be the expensive, scarce and awkward-to-use Zyklon B that was used, even though it was badly needed everywhere else for pest control. Yet in other alleged extermination camps far distant from the BUNA plant, carbon monoxide is said to have been used to kill people, and to have been generated for this purpose with Diesel engines from captured Russian tanks, whose exhaust fumes, however, contain only non-lethal quantities of carbon monoxide when operated in neutral gear (as they would have to have been).[142]
Post Mon May 18, 2015 4:56 am 
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Cosmored
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Here's something interesting I just came across.
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=26332.0
Post Wed May 20, 2015 3:17 pm 
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Cosmored
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The idea that Austrians wanted to be united with Germany is talked about in the video that the fourth link in post #1 leads to. I just came across this video which deals with that issue.

Hitler Annexes Austria (1938)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5BnkQIBwxs


I guess it was pretty clear to a lot of people in the world that the Austrians were happy to be part of Germany so the establishment had to recognize it but they put a spin on it; they made it sound like Hitler wanted to conquer the world and the Austrians did too. The revisionists say that Hitler had no plan to conquer the world.

Until I started checking out revisionist history, I'd always thought that German annexed Austria against the people's will.


This is the establishment version.
http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=86
(excerpts)
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Adolf Hitler crossed the border shortly after, welcomed by thunderous crowds, some of which were genuine while some others staged.
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At the city of Linz, Hitler gave a speech at the city hall; Wilhelm Keitel recorded the crowd reaction as "electric and excited beyond belief". To establish legality for the annexation, it was announced that a plebiscite was to be held in both Germany and Austria, both of which were to be held on 10 Apr. Hitler immediately engaged on a trip all cross Germany and Austria to garner support. Photographs of enthusiastic Austrian crowds waving the Nazi Party flag were circulated throughout Germany and Austria, while those depicting refugees fleeing out of Austria, both Jewish and otherwise, were suppressed. The result of the plebiscite showed overwhelming, ie. 99%, support for the annexation in both countries, but this revealed little of real German and Austrian sentiments as coercion most likely played a role in the voting. According to Winston Churchill's own intelligence network, the most generous estimate did not exceed 35% approval rate. "[T]he majority in the country is in favor of an independent Austria," said Georg Franckenstein, an Austrian diplomat in London, England, United Kingdom who was secretly acting as one of Churchill's informants.
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It's hard to know what really happened when all we have is a bunch of contradictory second-hand information. The mainstream has no credibility though. I would bet the revisionist version is closer to reality.

Americans are told that we're defending freedom and democracy when we intervene in other countries. The truth seem to be quite different.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=economic+hit+man

If the government can lie about that, it can lie about WW2 I suppose.
Post Fri May 22, 2015 3:50 pm 
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Cosmored
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Take a look at the photos of the pages of the Red Cross report on the Holocaust in this site.
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

The photos can only be partially seen so they are useless. When I first found that site, the photos showed whole pages. My guess is that somebody hacked the site and sabotaged it.

I'll copy and paste this excerpt in case the link goes dead some day.
(excerpt)
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No Evidence Of Genocide

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 7Cool. By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).
Post Sat May 23, 2015 1:03 pm 
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Cosmored
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Here's a good article.
http://www.zundelsite.org/assets/981005.html


It came from this site.
http://www.zundelsite.org/
Post Mon May 25, 2015 3:51 pm 
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Cosmored
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I think I've got a good idea of what really happened with Germany but I'm still foggy on Japan. I just watched this video.

Truth of World War II - What did Japan fight for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ti2K5yStfU


China was hardly mentioned in the video but it's mentioned in the comment section. I've spoken to some Chinese people and they all hated the Japenese for WW2 so the American version of the Japanese in China during the thirties probably has a lot of truth in it. That video is a bit simplistic.

All we have is second-hand info. This is probably one of those things we'll never understand completely unless we can travel to all of those Asian countries where Japan spent time during the war and talk to lots of elderly people.
Post Wed May 27, 2015 9:37 am 
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I'm checking out WW1 now.


The REAL reason for World War 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9oRiUr3XIo

According to the above video Germany started the war by invading Russia (7:50 time mark)


I haven't watched these yet but I'm going to later.

WWI: How Germany Was Backstabbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2I0CIoG_aU

The Truth About World War I: The Hidden History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ8Sj9FFmRc

How Edward VII Started World War 1 - Webster Tarpley in 1995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHIZQLMo-0
Post Wed May 27, 2015 10:26 am 
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Here's an interesting article.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n4p30_Michaels.html
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For several years now, a former Soviet military intelligence officer named Vladimir Rezun has provoked heated discussion in Russia for his startling view that Hitler attacked Soviet Russia in June 1941 just as Stalin was preparing to overwhelm Germany and western Europe as part of a well-planned operation to "liberate" all of Europe by bringing it under Communist rule.
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This is dealt with in some of the above videos but it has some more details.


edit 11/6/15
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Here's another.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p40_Michaels.html


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