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untanglingwebs
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Hey, honky! The origin of the world's most heinous racial slur : Pocho
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Apr 17, 2013 ... This made me think of one of the most dreaded racial slurs of all time for white

Hey, honky! The origin of the world’s most heinous racial slur

by Santino J. Rivera on April 17, 2013 in Cultura



Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor on SNL

POCHO Jefe-in-Chief Lalo Alcaraz‘s recent article about the word gringo ignited a shitstorm of debate. White people came out of the woodwork to declare how they’ve been traumatized all these years because of it.

This got me thinking about racial slurs and how we use them in these oh-so-modern times. Rand Paul used the term chili-choking pepper bellies the other day when he was talking about immigration reform. What’s the gringo equivalent of a chili-choking pepper belly? Twinky-gagging sugar gut? Sounds stupid, right?

“You cornbread-gobbling butter stomach!”

This made me think of one of the most dreaded racial slurs of all time for white people: honky, also spelled honkey. And whenever I think about the word honky I think of the classic SNL skit (video, above) with Richard Pyror and Chevy Chase, which ends with Richard Pryor becoming very upset and calling Chase a “dead honky.”

Everyone laughs.

On the TV series The Jeffersons, George Jefferson regularly referred to a white person as a “honky” (or “whitey”) as did Redd Foxx on Sanford and Son. This word would later be popularized in episodes of Mork & Mindy by Robin Williams and Jonathan Winters.

But what’s a honky, really? Does anyone know? Do people even use that word any more? Is it politically incorrect to say, “Hey, honky! Get the hell off my lawn!”

Fox News would say “yes”…and they would want reparations.

If Quentin Tarantino made a film tomorrow with gratuitous use of the word “honky”, would anyone care? Would there be riots by white people demanding respect? A million-honky march? Petitions to the Whitehouse to ban the word “honky”?

These are strange days.

One of my hobbies is etymology. So naturally, I looked into the etymology of the word honky. The results may surprise you.

According to Wikipedia, “honky is a racial slur for white people, predominantly heard in the United States and Great Britain” (real quick, say “honky” with a British accent). The first recorded use of honky possibly dates back to 1946 but exact origins of the word are unknown, although “honky tonk” music goes back even further than that.

It is believed that honky may be a variant of the word “hunky,” which is a deviation of Bohunk, a slur for Bohemian-Hungarian immigrants in the early 1900′s. How offensive!

Others believe that honky may have come from coal miners in Oak Hill, West Virginia. The miners were segregated (of course) and European “foreigners” who couldn’t speak English were separated from both blacks and whites into an area known as “Hunk Hill”. Thus, they called them “Hunkies.”

Meat packing plants in Chicago might also be to blame for this terrible word. Black workers picked up the word from white workers and began using it against them. Damn honkies were taking all the jobs, apparently.

Another theory points to black people dubbing whiteys “honkies” because they were constantly honking their horns at hookers in the red-light district of Harlem.

Everything is always the fault of black people. Just watch your local news sometime.

“Honky” had more gusto in the 60′s and 70′s when it was adopted by black militant groups, but even then, many whites embraced the term as term of endearment.

Say it loud! I’m honky and proud!

What’s the point of all of this? There isn’t one, really…except to say that there really aren’t any offensive terms for white people. I realize that the million-honky march is just around the corner and John Boehner will be leading a procession of white men singing “We Shall Overcome” but until these poor folks get their reparations for tanning booth taxes and being targeted by the media and law enforcement for domestic terrorism, we will just have to sit back and wait for the time when they really do become a minority.

Maybe by then we’ll have a decent slur for them.

Santino J. Rivera is an Indie Publisher and Author at Broken Sword Publications – Follow him on Twitter @sjrivera.
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untanglingwebs
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The point of this is Alex Harris claims to be traumatized because he believes Councilman Nolden called him a "honkey". Nolden, denies this and admits he was mad, but says he called him a "punk". The real issue is that the council President and the police never should have allowed the incident to escalate. A lesser individual would have punched Harris in the mouth. A retired prison corrections officer, Harris said to bring it on. Nor is this the first time Harris has stepped over the line.

Why was Harris allowed to cat-call loudly from the back of the room and be disrespectful to Nolden. Why is there no semblance of order in the council? Why are council members allowed to interrupt and disrespect other council members. If Earley treats council like children and issues new rules, perhaps they need them. For years this council has been out of control and a laughingstock.

Watchers of the council meetings ask why council walk around and hold sidebar conversations. I was researching council meetings out of control and came across one from Dallas Texas. An 11 year old addressed council about gun violence and then asked why the council rolled their eyes at speakers, walked around and generally disrespected speakers. One council person answered him and admitted o be one of the worst offenders. He promised to do better. Dallas News gave this 11 year old an 11 minute video!
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Urban Dictionary: honky
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2. the term comes from the word "honky-tonk", which was used as early as 1875honky

a derogatory term for a Caucasian person.
there are three main theories for the origin of the word:
1. the word originated from the practice of white males wishing to hire African-American prostitutes in the 1920's, and going to the appropriate part of town while honking their car horns to attract the whores. Some versions state that the reason for this was that the white men were too afraid to actually stop in those neighborhoods, so the honking would bring the hookers to them. Others say that since few African-Americans could afford cars back in that time, the honking signaled a higher-paying white client and would quickly gain the prostitutes attention.
2. the term comes from the word "honky-tonk", which was used as early as 1875 in reference to wild saloons in the Old West. Patrons of such disreputable establishments were referred to as "honkies", not intended as a racial slur but still a disparaging term.
3. "honkie" is a variation of "hunky" and "bohunk", derogatory terms for Hungarian, Bohemian, and Polish immigrant factory workers and hard laborers in the early 1900's. African-Americans began to use the word in reference to all whites regardless of specific nation of origin.

also spelled "honkie".
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Tim Wise » Revisiting a Past Essay — Honky Wanna Cracker ...
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Jun 28, 2013 ... For a larger analysis of the difference between certain racial slurs ... of blacks for

Revisiting a Past Essay — Honky Wanna Cracker? Examining the Myth of Reverse Racism

Posted on June 28, 2013




In light of reports that Trayvon Martin referred to George Zimmerman as a “crazy-ass cracker” while talking on his cell phone prior to being shot and killed by the latter, many have suggested (including Zimmerman’s defense attorney) that it was Martin, rather than Zimmerman who introduced race to the confrontation with his client that night. Aside from the absurdity of this claim — namely, Martin didn’t “introduce race” into the confrontation because had it been up to Martin alone, there would have been no confrontation — there is the larger matter of whether or not “cracker” is a hateful or racist term, on par with something like the n-word or other anti-black slurs.

Or, in the immediate sense, whether there may be a rough equivalence between the way in which Martin and Zimmerman saw one another: the former seeing Zimmerman in a negative anti-white light, and the latter seeing the former as a threat because he was young, black and male. In other words, some wonder, maybe the whole race angle in this case is a wash, with both men operating on the basis of racialized assumptions about the other, and so we shouldn’t discuss race at all.

But the argument ignores the obvious difference, even if we grant the claim that the term cracker is racist and was meant as such by Martin (rather than in the historically pertinent way in which the term originated — namely as a reference to white overseers on the plantation who would “crack the whip” of their authority, in which case the reference seems to have fit Zimmerman pretty well).

For even if we interpret the term in the light most damaging for Martin, a difference remains between that and the way in which Zimmerman saw Martin as the embodiment of black criminality (and had on several previous occasions when black males entered the neighborhood, including in one case a 9-year old child on whom he called police). The difference is this: Martin’s racialized “bias” if we choose to call it that, against Zimmerman, prompted him to attempt to avoid Zimmerman. He ran away from him. Zimmerman’s racialized bias against Martin led him to pursue Martin. And that matters. For if the latter hadn’t happened, no one would know either man’s name today. Martin would still be alive and Zimmerman would still just be a pathetic wanna-be cop.

In short, comparing these things is like comparing…let’s see…Skittles and handguns.

For a larger analysis of the difference between certain racial slurs however, please see the following: an essay I wrote originally in 2002, and updated a few years later.
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(From 2002)

Recently, while I was speaking to a group of high school students, I was asked why I only seemed to be concerned about white racism towards people of color, and not racism from people of color towards whites. We had been discussing racial slurs, and several white students wanted to know why I wasn’t as critical of blacks for using terms like “honky” or “cracker,” as I was of whites for using the infamous n-word. Although such an issue may seem trivial in the larger scheme of things, the challenge posed by the students was important, and allowed a dialogue about the essence of what racism is and how it operates.

On the one hand, of course, such slurs are quite obviously offensive and ought not be used. That said, I pointed out that even the mention of “honky” and “cracker” had elicited laughter, and not only from the black students in attendance, but also from other whites. The words are so silly, so juvenile, that they hardly qualify as racial slurs at all, let alone slurs on a par with those that have been historically deployed against people of color.

The lack of symmetry between a word like honky and those used against blacks was made readily apparent in an old Saturday Night Live skit with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor, in which Pryor’s character is applying for a job at a company with no other black employees. Chase’s character has the power to either hire him or not, and wants to make sure that if Pryor is hired, he’ll be able to deal with the potential racial animosity that might come his way at the hands of his white colleagues. To test Pryor’s character’s forbearance, Chase suggests a test for Pryor: namely, he’ll throw out racial epithets and see how Pryor’s character responds. And so it begins, with Chase calling Pryor a number of pretty mild slurs, to which Pryor responds in kind with pretty minor league quips about whites. Then Chase calls Pryor a “porch monkey.” Pryor responds with “honky.” Chase ups the ante with “jungle bunny.” Pryor, unable to counter with a more vicious slur, responds with “honky, honky.” Chase then trumps all previous slurs with “nigger,” to which Pryor responds, “dead honky.” The line elicits laughs, but also makes clear that when it comes to racial verbiage, people of color are limited in the repertoire of slurs they can use against whites, and even the ones of which they can avail themselves sound more comic than hateful. The impact of hearing the anti-black slurs in the skit was of a magnitude unparalleled by hearing Pryor say “honky” over and over.

As a white person, I always saw the terms honky or cracker as proof of how much more potent white racism was than any variation practiced by the black or brown. When a group of people has little or no power over you, they don’t get to define the terms of your existence, they can’t limit your opportunities, and you needn’t worry much about the use of a slur to describe you, since, in all likelihood, the slur is as far as it’s going to go. What are they going to do next: deny you a bank loan? Yeah, right. So whereas the n-word is a term used by whites to dehumanize blacks, to “put them in their place” if you will, the same cannot be said of honky; after all, you can’t put white people in their place when they own the place to begin with.

Power is like body armor; and while not all whites have the same power, all of us have more than we need vis-a-vis people of color, at least when it comes to racial position. Consider poor whites: to be sure, they are less financially powerful than wealthy people of color; but that misses the point of how racial privilege operates within a class system. Within a class system, people compete for “stuff” against others of their same basic economic status. In other words, rich and poor are not competing for the same homes, loans, jobs or even educations to a large extent. Rich compete against rich, working class against working class and poor against poor; and in those competitions — the ones that take place in the real world — racial privilege attaches.

Poor whites are rarely typified as pathological, dangerous, lazy or shiftless to anywhere near the extent the black poor are. Nor are they demonized the way poor Latino immigrants tend to be. When politicians want to bash welfare recipients they don’t pick Bubba and Crystal from the trailer park; they choose Shawonda Jefferson from the projects, with her five kids. Also, according to reports from several states, ever since so-called welfare reform, white recipients have been treated better by caseworkers, are less likely to be bumped off rolls for presumed failure to comply with regulations, and have been given more assistance at finding jobs than their black or brown counterparts. Poor whites are more likely to have a job, and are more likely to own their own home than the poor of color. Indeed, whites with incomes under $13,000 annually are more likely to own their own home than blacks with incomes that are three times higher due to having inherited property.

None of this denies that poor whites are being screwed by an economic system that relies on their misery. But they retain a leg up on poor or somewhat better off people of color thanks to racism. It is that leg up that renders the potency of certain prejudices less threatening than others; it is what makes cracker or honky less problematic than slurs used against the black and brown.

In response, some might say that people of color can indeed exercise power over whites, at least by way of racially-motivated violence. And indeed such events happen, are totally inexcusable, and deserve punishment like any such violence. And I’m sure to those being victimized, the power of those doing the violence in those instances must seem quite real. Yet there are problems with claiming that this “power” proves racism from people of color is just as bad as the reverse.

First, racial violence is also a power whites have, so the power that might obtain in such a situation is hardly unique to non-whites, unlike the power to deny a bank loan for racial reasons, to “steer” certain homebuyers away from living in “nicer” neighborhoods, or to racially profile in terms of policing. Those are powers that can only be exercised by the more dominant group as a practical and systemic matter. Additionally, the “power” of violence is not really power at all, since to exercise it, one has to break the law and subject themselves to probable legal sanction. Power is much more potent when it can be deployed without having to break the law to do it, or when doing it would only risk a small civil penalty at worst. Discrimination in lending, though illegal, is not going to result in the perp going to jail; so too with employment discrimination or racial profiling.

Likewise, it’s the difference in power and position that has made recent attempts by American Indian activists in Colorado to turn the tables on white racists so ineffective. Indian students at Northern Colorado University, fed up by the unwillingness of white school district administrators in Greeley to change the name and grotesque Indian caricature of the Eaton High School “Reds,” recently set out to flip the script on the common practice of mascot-oriented racism. Thinking they would show white folks what it’s like to be in their shoes and experience the objectification of being a team icon, indigenous members of an intramural basketball team renamed themselves the “Fightin’ Whiteys,” and donned T-shirts with the team mascot: a 1950s-style caricature of a suburban, middle class white guy, next to the phrase “every thang’s gonna be all white.”

Funny though the effort was, it has not only failed to make the point intended, but has been met with laughter and even outright support by white folks. Rush Limbaugh actually advertised for the team’s T-shirts on his radio program, and whites from coast to coast have been requesting team gear, thinking it funny, rather than demeaning, to be turned into a mascot. The difference, of course, is that it’s tough to negatively objectify a group whose power and position allows them to define or redefine the meaning of another group’s attempts at humor: in this case the attempt by Indian peoples to teach them a lesson. It’s tough to school the headmaster, in other words. Objectification works against the disempowered because they are disempowered. The process doesn’t work in reverse, or at least, making it work is a lot tougher than one might think. Turning Indians into mascots has been offensive because it perpetuates the dehumanization of such persons over many centuries, and the mentality of colonization and conquest. It is not as if one group (whites) merely chose to turn another group (Indians) into mascots as if by chance. Rather, it is that whites have consistently viewed Indians as less than human — as savage and “wild” — and have been able to not merely portray such imagery on athletic banners and uniforms, but in history books and literature more crucially.

In the case of the students at Northern, they would need to be far more acerbic in their appraisal of whites in order for their attempts at “reverse racism” to make the point intended. After all, “fightin” is not a negative trait in the eyes of most, and the 1950s iconography chosen for the uniforms was unlikely to be seen as that big a deal. Perhaps if they had settled on “slave-owning whiteys,” or “land-stealing whiteys,” or “smallpox-giving-on-purpose whiteys,” the point would have been made; and instead of a smiling “company man” logo, perhaps a Klansman, or skinhead as representative of the white race–now that would have been a nice functional equivalent of the screaming Indian warrior. Bottom line: you gotta go strong to turn the tables on the man, and irony won’t get it nine times out of ten. Without the power to define another’s reality, Indian activists are simply incapable of turning the tables with well-placed humor.

Simply put, what separates white racism from any other form and makes anti-black and brown humor more dangerous than its anti-white equivalent is the ability of the former to become lodged in the minds and perceptions of the citizenry. White perceptions are what end up counting in a white-dominated society. If whites say Indians are savages, be they “noble” or vicious, they’ll be seen in that light. If Indians say whites are mayonnaise-eating Amway salespeople, who the hell’s going to care? If anything, whites will simply turn it into a marketing opportunity. When you have the power, you can afford to be self-deprecating.

The day that someone produces a newspaper ad that reads: “Twenty honkies for sale today: good condition, best offer accepted,” or “Cracker to be lynched tonight: whistled at black woman,” then perhaps I’ll see the equivalence of these slurs with the more common type to which we’ve grown accustomed. When white churches start getting burned down by militant blacks who spray paint “Kill the honkies” on the sidewalks outside, then maybe I’ll take seriously these concerns over “reverse racism.”

Until then, I guess I’ll find myself laughing at another old Saturday Night Live skit: this time with Garrett Morris as a convict in the prison talent show who sings:

Gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see

Gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see.

And once I kill all the whiteys I see

Then whitey he won’t bother me

Gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see.

See, it just isn’t the same.



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•Tim Wise on CNN – The N-Word, Racial Slurs and Race in America 6/29/13
Post Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:40 am 
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Listened to Mike Killbreath Radio Show and was amazed at how Mike sensationalized the issue. He made like Honky was such a negative word, he couldn't say it on the air. If CNN and other networks can use "cracker" and "honky", what is the issue. Once again this is word that originated with whites that took on a negative connotation. "Niggardly" originally meant someone who was cheap. Yet a politicians aide was fired for using the word in that context.

Mike wanted to make a point about the Blue Ribbon meetings, but the members are public and a number of them are black. I could do without Tim Herman in the mix, but that was not my decision.

The report will not come out until June. If it is as ridiculous as the group formed to make recommendations about the police department, there is no serious issue. That group was also secretive in their meetings. Their recommendations could never be implemented.
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Controversies about the word "niggardly" - Wikipedia, the free ...

She said the professor continued to use the word even after she told him that she .... fired and another suspended for an incident in which the word "niggardly" ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22


Niggardly - Washington Post

Jan 27, 1999 ... The mayor also insisted the incident will not send a chill through his ... "I used the word 'niggardly' in reference to my administration of a fund," ...

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/jan99/district27.htm


Washingtonpost.com: D.C. Mayor Acted 'Hastily,' Will Rehire Aide

The mayor said that an internal review had "confirmed for me that Mr. Howard did use the word 'niggardly,' but did not use a racial epithet" during a Jan.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm


Is using this N-word (niggardly) a firing offense? - Collections - Sun ...

Nov 7, 2011 ... One Broward County drug counselor has been fired and another suspended for an incident in which an "N-word" was used. Not necessarily ...

articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-07/news/fl-niggardly-mayocol-b110811-20111107_...


White Washington DC Staffer Let Go for Using 'Niggardly'!

Jun 18, 2007 ... Webster's Tenth Edition defines the word 'niggardly' to "grudgingly ... mention of racial connotations associated with the word 'niggardly'. .... In surer hands, the incident might have been dismissed as trivial and meaningless.
Post Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:58 am 
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This quote from the article is One of the dumbest comments ever posted. Of course Trayvon introduced race into the event.


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In light of reports that Trayvon Martin referred to George Zimmerman as a “crazy-ass cracker” while talking on his cell phone prior to being shot and killed by the latter, many have suggested (including Zimmerman’s defense attorney) that it was Martin, rather than Zimmerman who introduced race to the confrontation with his client that night. Aside from the absurdity of this claim — namely, Martin didn’t “introduce race” into the confrontation because had it been up to Martin alone, there would have been no confrontation — there is the larger matter of whether or not “cracker” is a hateful or racist term, on par with something like the n-word or other anti-black slurs."


I will say this I don't hear white people running around calling each other "cracker" or honky or some other reference to race. Blacks on the other hand spew "my nigga", and My nigger on a daily basis.

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